Trade for a veteran?

[Doublea]

I've heard this mentioned a few times, that the jazz should trade some if their picks for a young, up and coming vet. But I haven't heard any names really spoken. Who would this player be? And who would we want to pick up on that could help us get back to winning ways?

The only players I can think of are:

Terrance Ross
DeMar DeRozan
Arron Afflalo

But is that who we really want to go after? I really can't think of any other players that fit this similar criteria. So who would we trade for/who do you want to trade for?

Is this a better option than siting at #5?

 

[Sexual Favors]

Not a better option.

Players will get up for new coach, and system, as long as it is tailored to their strength's. Get a vet in FA next offseason, if needed. Getting a vet now is "skipping steps." This draft is soo deep, that trading out is stupid. We've got to pay Hayward, Burks & Kanter soon. Don't mess up the books because you want some meaningless wins.

Players like CJ Wilcox & A. Payne will be available around 23, both of which can shoot the lights out, and played four years in college, so aren't your typical immature rookie, if that is what's scaring you.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Hayward and Favors will be 5th yr pros. They are vets.

 

[Doublea]

What about people saying to trade the #34 and #23 for a vet? I just don't see any names that we'd really want... Keep in mind too if we traded the 5th or others we'd probably try to get back in or ask for picks back.

 

[Stoked]

Not a better option.

Players will get up for new coach, and system, as long as it is tailored to their strength's. Get a vet in FA next offseason, if needed. Getting a vet now is "skipping steps." This draft is soo deep, that trading out is stupid. We've got to pay Hayward, Burks & Kanter soon. Don't mess up the books because you want some meaningless wins.

Players like CJ Wilcox & A. Payne will be available around 23, both of which can shoot the lights out, and played four years in college, so aren't your typical immature rookie, if that is what's scaring you.

I would not trade the #5 for a vet but am not opposed to the idea of the other picks add players for a vet. Depending on the actual trade of course. Rather have a good quality vet then more of the Beidrins/Bell quality vets.

 

[Doublea]

I would not trade the #5 for a vet but am not opposed to the idea of the other picks add players for a vet. Depending on the actual trade of course. Rather have a good quality vet then more of the Beidrins/Bell quality vets.

Yes, but what vets. People keep saying this, but naming in names.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Yes, but what vets. People keep saying this, but naming in names.

And more importantly, at what price?

We let two great vets walk to free up cap space and get picks. Now we're going to eat up that cap space and trade one of those picks? Seems *** backwards to me. Jazz still have the Hayward, Kanter, and Burks paydays coming up, so why are they skipping steps? We're not contending next year.

If Jazz are really worried about having too many rookies on the team, they can send some of them to the Stampede, which will now be our coaches and system. Seems incredibly antsy of them to talk about getting a crap vet w/ the 23rd pick, when there are other options. 23rd and 35th will = crap vet, make no mistake. We can send rooks to Stampede & pick up some vets in FA, or see what vets & picks we could get w/ cap space again this year. We don't have our star yet, so why should we be discussing vets and exiting asset accumulation mode?

 

[svenguru]

trade for veteran

2QUOTE=Doublea;843353]I've heard this mentioned a few times, that the jazz should trade some if their picks for a young, up and coming vet. But I haven't heard any names really spoken. Who would this player be? And who would we want to pick up on that could help us get back to winning ways?

The only players I can think of are:

Terrance Ross
DeMar DeRozan
Arron Afflalo

But is that who we really want to go after? I really can't think of any other players that fit this similar criteria. So who would we trade for/who do you want to trade for?

Is this a better option than siting at #5?[/QUOTE]
How about the jazz trade #5 for afflalo and#12? Orlando can draft the guard of their choice with#4 and the big of their choice with #5. Jazz get afflalo for their Shooting guard spot, shift hayward to 3 bring Alec burks along as off the bench scorer and get #12 to draft more shooting such as stauskas.

 

[♪alt13]

option 1 Trade up

if that fails

keep the #5

either package the #23 and #35 to move up or trade for future picks.

 

[slc]

Don't like idea of trading #23 and/or #35.
Just seems like not that many players to pick from that fit Jazz needs.
I think Jazz should just stockpile young talent and then trade as necessary.
This years talent seems terrific all the way down to #35.

 

[Coach Ellis]

option 1 Trade up

if that fails

keep the #5

either package the #23 and #35 to move up or trade for future picks.

I like this. For me, I'd think that the team would be best off trying to make another cash dump before the draft to add another asset to work with. They won't be competing for the playoffs this year, they have plenty of cap space to match Hayward, extend both Kanter and Burks and pull off another trade like the one last offseason.

Either way, you're trading assets to move up in this draft. Wouldn't hurt to add another one as a bargaining chip if possible.

 

[Doublea]

Don't like idea of trading #23 and/or #35.
Just seems like not that many players to pick from that fit Jazz needs.
I think Jazz should just stockpile young talent and then trade as necessary.
This years talent seems terrific all the way down to #35.

Very true, we need a lot of depth too on this team. The draft would do that, plus we could always trade the talent later on.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Don't like idea of trading #23 and/or #35.
Just seems like not that many players to pick from that fit Jazz needs.
I think Jazz should just stockpile young talent and then trade as necessary.
This years talent seems terrific all the way down to #35.

For what it's worth, if the Jazz stay at #5, I'd love to see them trade #23 and #35 to move up as far as possible and then try to buy another pick at the end of the first round again (assuming they don't add any other assets along the way).

They might need to decide if they're going to buy out Tomic, but they could package future 2nd round picks into the process to make something work. If they're going to make 3 picks in this draft, I'd much rather it be #5, #17/18 and #27/28 instead of #5, #23 and #35. I loved how they moved around last year. That should be the plan again this year.

I agree that I'd much rather they just draft the best players they can get their hands on instead of trading for a veteran. Just let your young guys grow up to be veterans. And let your young guys add depth to your bench.

 

[Doublea]

I think we should define Veteran too. Is it just a player who is in the 5-6 year and beyond? Is it their total career minutes? Is it play off experience?

Even though Hayward and Favors are going into their fifth years I wouldn't call them vets yet. They are still only what 23 and 24? With no playoff wins.

I worry about adding 3 young guys with a new coach, but I wouldn't be against it...

 

[♪alt13]

Don't like idea of trading #23 and/or #35.
Just seems like not that many players to pick from that fit Jazz needs.
I think Jazz should just stockpile young talent and then trade as necessary.
This years talent seems terrific all the way down to #35.

I would want to target a future first rounder and hope we get lucky and they have a bad year. I'd like to put a team in a similar situation that the knicks have put themselves in this year.

 

[Ellipse]

And more importantly, at what price?

We let two great vets walk to free up cap space and get picks. Now we're going to eat up that cap space and trade one of those picks? Seems *** backwards to me. Jazz still have the Hayward, Kanter, and Burks paydays coming up, so why are they skipping steps? We're not contending next year.

If Jazz are really worried about having too many rookies on the team, they can send some of them to the Stampede, which will now be our coaches and system. Seems incredibly antsy of them to talk about getting a crap vet w/ the 23rd pick, when there are other options. 23rd and 35th will = crap vet, make no mistake. We can send rooks to Stampede & pick up some vets in FA, or see what vets & picks we could get w/ cap space again this year. We don't have our star yet, so why should we be discussing vets and exiting asset accumulation mode?

This. If the Jazz want a vet, then re-sign Williams. Thanks to the complete lack of player development from the previous coaching staff, we still don't know what we have on this team. Give Quin a chance to work with our players, and then we might know by the trade deadline where our biggest gaps are so that we can trade intelligently.

 

[Doublea]

Can I add a poll to this thread? I'd like to see if people want to keep all the picks or trade a few of them.

 

[cowhide]

I've heard this mentioned a few times, that the jazz should trade some if their picks for a young, up and coming vet. But I haven't heard any names really spoken. Who would this player be? And who would we want to pick up on that could help us get back to winning ways?

The only players I can think of are:

Terrance Ross
DeMar DeRozan
Arron Afflalo

But is that who we really want to go after? I really can't think of any other players that fit this similar criteria. So who would we trade for/who do you want to trade for?

Is this a better option than siting at #5?

I don't want to give up the number 5 pick. I like those names but I don't want to give up #5 unless we get another lotto pick.

 

[Doublea]

I don't want to give up the number 5 pick. I like those names but I don't want to give up #5 unless we get another lotto pick.

Probably only realistic way would be to trade the #5 to the Magic for Afflalo and the #12 (like someone else mentioned). I don't think I'd do that though.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Probably only realistic way would be to trade the #5 to the Magic for Afflalo and the #12 (like someone else mentioned). I don't think I'd do that though.

I wouldn't even think of it. Afflalo is 28, and honestly overhyped. He is in a bad conference, and on a bad team. I much prefer Hayward & Burks potential/ upside at the 2, and don't like any of them at the 3. His 3 pt % is unreliable as well, as he shot 30% the previous year. No way in hell am I trading back for him. There are good players available @ 12, but not even close to the caliber of those projected 4-8. Those available @ 12 are only slightly above those available at 23, tier wise.