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What does LeBron need to do to surpass Jordan?

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well these smaller guys spudd, nate, etc. all athletic, but it's much easier to be athletic when you are small. i see 5ft 9 or under guys dunking every place i go to. and there are tons of insane leapers under 5ft 9 everywhere nowdays.

but it's really hard to be athletic when you are so big. normal 7ft 1 guy who is over 330lb like shaq usually ends up in a wheel chair by mid 30's. human aren't supposed to be so big and carry so much weight. shaq was an unique human being.

and wilt too.

very interesting picture. i think it's pretty accurate depiction. obviously shaq on this pic was around 315lb.
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wilt was actually wider than shaq. but shaq had thicker and more massive core. i believe wilt also had longer leg. shaq's upper body was just massive. just naturally thick guy.

if wilt was born in 1972 like shaq did, i bet wilt would've easily played at 310lb in his peak because of nutrition and training. wilt did weigh 300lb but it was much later.
 
check out wilt's shoulder. quiet possibly the most impressive physical part of any NBA player ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2N4a9oO118&feature=player_embedded

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my favorite physical freaks

jordan - endurance, body control, first step
Wilt - endurance, leaping ability, and upper body strength
shaq - power/speed ratio
bron - power/speed ratio
westbrook/drose - speed, first step
vince carter - body control, leaping ability
 
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check out wilt's shoulder. quiet possibly the most impressive physical part of any NBA player ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2N4a9oO118&feature=player_embedded


my favorite physical freaks

jordan - endurance, body control, first step
Wilt - endurance, leaping ability, and upper body strength
shaq - power/speed ratio
bron - power/speed ratio
westbrook/drose - speed, first step
vince carter - body control, leaping ability


Mailman- power/speed ratio

Srs
 
karl was an impressive physical specimen.

if i'm grading in 100 scale

wilt/shaq 99/100
bron 98/100
MJ 96/100
karl 92/100

tad lower than true freaks, but no doubt karl was a freak too. no disrespect to karl. he is definitely top 15-20 freak ever.

how about david robinson? dude also was an absolute freak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18&feature=player_embedded

you never see 7fters running coast to coast like that anymore. look at that beautiful eurostep. i laugh at young kids thinking eurostep was created by ginobli.
 
karl was an impressive physical specimen.

if i'm grading in 100 scale

wilt/shaq 99/100
bron 98/100
MJ 96/100
karl 92/100

tad lower than true freaks, but no doubt karl was a freak too. no disrespect to karl. he is definitely top 15-20 freak ever.

how about david robinson? dude also was an absolute freak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18&feature=player_embedded

you never see 7fters running coast to coast like that anymore. look at that beautiful eurostep. i laugh at young kids thinking eurostep was created by ginobli.


When you say power/speed ration malone comes to mind at the top

SRs dude could have probably been the NFL tight end goat. Dude was a freight train that got up to speed like a sports car.
 
but i really can't put him above bron or shaq. shaq has him by 65-70lb. and bron has better power/speed ratio than karl. karl is stronger for sure, but bron has a definite edge on leaping ability, body control, and speed.

frankly, i think karl carried too much muscle. i always wished he drop 10lb of muscle so he becomes more fluid.

no doubt karl was a freak of nature. i don't even know how da hell he clocked 40+ min twice in his peak.
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I'm not saying that Malone is a better overall athlete than LBJ but he wins this specific category(power:speed)hands down.
 
power yes, speed no. put it this way, bron's speed advantage on karl is bigger than karl's strength advantage on bron.

so overall power/speed ratio, i gotta give it to 2007-2009 bron. 88-91 karl was very close. but just didn't have the 2nd gear like bron did IMO.
 
power yes, speed no. put it this way, bron's speed advantage on karl is bigger than karl's strength advantage on bron.

so overall power/speed ratio, i gotta give it to 2007-2009 bron. 88-91 karl was very close. but just didn't have the 2nd gear like bron did IMO.
Imagine a soldier injured on a battle field. Which guy should carry him while running away? You are underestimating Karl's speed and overestimating bron's strength, imo. LBJ is the better baller but Malone's strength advantage is bigger than bron's speed advantage fo sho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uWPKNUwEtw
 
agree to disagree

karl did not have the best straight line speed in his position IMO. 76ers charles was faster. i know charles was smaller, but charles did play at 255-260lb almost his entire prime. charles was very dense in his core and he probably had twice more bodyfat. i bet half of his weight was in his big fat ***. i never seen them in a foot race, so it's all speculation, but that's how it appeared on tape. and we all know charles was strong as an ox.

but bron has the fastest straight line speed in his position IMO. probably top 5 all time.

i hate discrediting karl, but IMO Bron is a one of kind. in a freak power/speed ratio scale, karl is tier below to wilt/shaq/bron. and i have to say most basketball critics would agree. if karl did what he did at 7ft / 285lb frame than yes he should be up there.
 
frankly, i think karl carried too much muscle. i always wished he drop 10lb of muscle so he becomes more fluid.

...Karl had the perfect combination of muscle and finesse! Any less muscle and those "and 1's" he got would have been cut in half! Anymore muscle and his free throw shooting would have suffered along with his deft touch around the basket! Lebron is definitely faster than Malone, but Malone trumps that little bit more speed with a little bit more basketball brains, true or false?
 
...Karl had the perfect combination of muscle and finesse! Any less muscle and those "and 1's" he got would have been cut in half! Anymore muscle and his free throw shooting would have suffered along with his deft touch around the basket! Lebron is definitely faster than Malone, but Malone trumps that little bit more speed with a little bit more basketball brains, true or false?

i don't know what you are smoking, but lebron has a great basketball brain. he really studies the basketball, knows the history, and plays the game right away. he may not be the killer, but his basketball brain cannot be questioned.
 
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