Couldn't agree more
Do you see this as his ceiling? I don't think an 18 (or 19, whatever he is) year old version of the current Shaun Livingston is a bad thing at all.
My sentiments exactly
Official 2014 Draft "Final Call" Thread
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Lakers_Slapper
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I can't say who the Jazz will draft, but I really don't think that their intentions are to stick around at #5 pick. Not saying that they will be successful at moving up, but I think that Hayward will be traded along with Favors in exchange for a higher pick. Again I think this will be an attempt whether or not they are successful is a different story. If they are not successful with the trade up, I think that we could land Smart at the #5.
addictionary
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Tonight is the night...
And it's going to happen again and again... every decade...
Has to happen.
And it's going to happen again and again... every decade...
Has to happen.
jazzrule
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For the thousandth time Hayward can not be traded till after the draft.
Game6Conley
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I think the best offensive player in this draft will be Dante Exum. At this point Im 110% sold on his BBIQ.
For what its worth I've done extensive research on 'tells' and reading body language. In the last few days after reviewing some footage, to me, Dante Exum looks like he interviews by far the best of these top guys, he seems incredibly sure of himself, id use the word genuine.
These other players interview like 18 year olds.
For what its worth I've done extensive research on 'tells' and reading body language. In the last few days after reviewing some footage, to me, Dante Exum looks like he interviews by far the best of these top guys, he seems incredibly sure of himself, id use the word genuine.
These other players interview like 18 year olds.
Well they are 18 year kids. I don't think Aaron Gordon sounds like he is eighteen. He sounds very confident in his abilities without be cocky. I certainly wouldn't pick a player solely on his interview skills though. A lot of people can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
I am not a big prediction guy especially fortune-telling. I don't know what will happen next week. Beside I don't have all the inside information about the player's attitudes, medical issues and abilities. Nevertheless, here is my attempt to predict what might happen:
I think the Jazz will try to move up in the draft to pick Wiggins. I think the cost will be too much and they will remain at #5. I think they will select Aaron Gordon (Wiggins, Parker, Exum and Vonleh will be off the board). I don't think or hope they do not take Embiid too much risk.
I am 50/50 that the Jazz keep both picks or trade both #23 and #35 because they might need to use them to move up. I am pretty sure if they keep both of them one will be a stash it pick. Below are the people who are in play at 23.
#23- K.J. McDaniels, P.J. Hairston, James Young, Jordan Adams, Kyle Anderson, Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson, CJ Wilcox, GRIII, Clint Capela
#35 - Inglis, Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson, GRIII
5 year projection:
Embiid - could drop all the way from 7 to 10 in this draft. I think is health will be an issue and he will have a few good years and then go down with another injury. He is not worthy of a top 5 pick but I certainly will draft him if he was still there at 10 hoping I am wrong. I love the kid and hope he has a great career.
Wiggins: With the right team and coaching I think the sky is the limit for him. I have reservations about his personality not about his desire to be great. I think he will have several all-star games especially if he is drafted out East. However, if he stands around and observes the game he will be a big disappointment. He has to demand the ball and I think he will once he gets in the NBA. I think right now he is the number 1 guy and in the future I don't see him falling out of the top 3 in this draft class.
Parker: Love his offensive game. I think he is going to wish he wasn't draft by the Bucks. He is going to need to cut out the sweets improve his body and speed. If he does that then I see him with multiple all-stars and a go to guy on offense. I don't see him being anything better than an average defender at best. Parker has the best chance of busting due to his defense. I don't think he will bust but I think his defense will be a major issue unless he remakes his body. Overall I see him being a top 5 player in this draft.
Exum: I have no idea. He is a player that will make a GM look like a genius or a dumbass. Right now I think he will be better than I think he will be so I think he will be a solid pro with perhaps a one or two all-star appearances if he is in the East. Again people can say I told you so if I miss on this guy and it won't hurt my feelings at all.
Vonleh: I have my doubts on him. I just don't see the speed that the NBA requires. He seems to lack BB IQ and I think his shot at this point is overrated. I think the kid can play and will be a solid NBA player but I don't see star or even all-star career. I think he will put up 14 pts 10 rebound and give you a block or two per game. He struggled with fouling in college hopefully he will correct that. His passing is a concern too.
Aaron Gordon: I have been pretty clear this is my guy at #5. Some think it is too high and that might be true but I don't think he gets passed either Boston or LA. Now if the reports are that he has already improved his shot then I think Aaron has the chance to be a top 3 player in this draft. His FTs need to improve dramatically because if he can't then he will be nothing more than a 25 minute energy guy. I have faith that Gordon is going to work on his game. Why? I just love the kid's attitude. Gordon has the chance outside of Wiggins, Parker, healthy Embiid of being a star.
He has what Vonleh and even Wiggins to an extent lack. He has the personality to be great. The Jazz need a guy like this. A guy who wants to win at all cost and doesn't necessary need to have the ball in his hands all the time. Gordon will pass the ball to a teammate without thinking while Vonleh will hold onto to get his shot. Gordon is my pick at #5 unless Wiggins is available. I think Gordon is a little bit of a gamble but not as much as Vonleh or Exum.
Randle: hasn't gotten a lot of play on this board. I had kind of cooled on him mostly because of his defensive liability, foot issue and him forcing shots some times. However, I think Randle is going to move up the board as a top 4 player in this draft especially if he gets with the right team (Lakers). I think people forgot how Randle was doubled and tripled teamed in college and still was able to score. If I knew more about his foot, I would consider him with the 5th pick. If Gordon is gone or if the Jazz move down I would take him without thinking. I think he will be a 20pt 10rb guy in the NBA. I think he will have multiple all-star appearances if he stays healthy.
Top 5 guys- order could change yearly that is how close these guys are. Team selection will also have a bearing on their careers. Do they go to a team with a good fit.
Wiggins
Parker
Gordon
Randle
Exum
I think the Jazz will try to move up in the draft to pick Wiggins. I think the cost will be too much and they will remain at #5. I think they will select Aaron Gordon (Wiggins, Parker, Exum and Vonleh will be off the board). I don't think or hope they do not take Embiid too much risk.
I am 50/50 that the Jazz keep both picks or trade both #23 and #35 because they might need to use them to move up. I am pretty sure if they keep both of them one will be a stash it pick. Below are the people who are in play at 23.
#23- K.J. McDaniels, P.J. Hairston, James Young, Jordan Adams, Kyle Anderson, Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson, CJ Wilcox, GRIII, Clint Capela
#35 - Inglis, Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson, GRIII
5 year projection:
Embiid - could drop all the way from 7 to 10 in this draft. I think is health will be an issue and he will have a few good years and then go down with another injury. He is not worthy of a top 5 pick but I certainly will draft him if he was still there at 10 hoping I am wrong. I love the kid and hope he has a great career.
Wiggins: With the right team and coaching I think the sky is the limit for him. I have reservations about his personality not about his desire to be great. I think he will have several all-star games especially if he is drafted out East. However, if he stands around and observes the game he will be a big disappointment. He has to demand the ball and I think he will once he gets in the NBA. I think right now he is the number 1 guy and in the future I don't see him falling out of the top 3 in this draft class.
Parker: Love his offensive game. I think he is going to wish he wasn't draft by the Bucks. He is going to need to cut out the sweets improve his body and speed. If he does that then I see him with multiple all-stars and a go to guy on offense. I don't see him being anything better than an average defender at best. Parker has the best chance of busting due to his defense. I don't think he will bust but I think his defense will be a major issue unless he remakes his body. Overall I see him being a top 5 player in this draft.
Exum: I have no idea. He is a player that will make a GM look like a genius or a dumbass. Right now I think he will be better than I think he will be so I think he will be a solid pro with perhaps a one or two all-star appearances if he is in the East. Again people can say I told you so if I miss on this guy and it won't hurt my feelings at all.
Vonleh: I have my doubts on him. I just don't see the speed that the NBA requires. He seems to lack BB IQ and I think his shot at this point is overrated. I think the kid can play and will be a solid NBA player but I don't see star or even all-star career. I think he will put up 14 pts 10 rebound and give you a block or two per game. He struggled with fouling in college hopefully he will correct that. His passing is a concern too.
Aaron Gordon: I have been pretty clear this is my guy at #5. Some think it is too high and that might be true but I don't think he gets passed either Boston or LA. Now if the reports are that he has already improved his shot then I think Aaron has the chance to be a top 3 player in this draft. His FTs need to improve dramatically because if he can't then he will be nothing more than a 25 minute energy guy. I have faith that Gordon is going to work on his game. Why? I just love the kid's attitude. Gordon has the chance outside of Wiggins, Parker, healthy Embiid of being a star.
He has what Vonleh and even Wiggins to an extent lack. He has the personality to be great. The Jazz need a guy like this. A guy who wants to win at all cost and doesn't necessary need to have the ball in his hands all the time. Gordon will pass the ball to a teammate without thinking while Vonleh will hold onto to get his shot. Gordon is my pick at #5 unless Wiggins is available. I think Gordon is a little bit of a gamble but not as much as Vonleh or Exum.
Randle: hasn't gotten a lot of play on this board. I had kind of cooled on him mostly because of his defensive liability, foot issue and him forcing shots some times. However, I think Randle is going to move up the board as a top 4 player in this draft especially if he gets with the right team (Lakers). I think people forgot how Randle was doubled and tripled teamed in college and still was able to score. If I knew more about his foot, I would consider him with the 5th pick. If Gordon is gone or if the Jazz move down I would take him without thinking. I think he will be a 20pt 10rb guy in the NBA. I think he will have multiple all-star appearances if he stays healthy.
Top 5 guys- order could change yearly that is how close these guys are. Team selection will also have a bearing on their careers. Do they go to a team with a good fit.
Wiggins
Parker
Gordon
Randle
Exum
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♪alt13
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Burke's value will drop after first game against Smart. Smart will go at him hard and shut him down. Smart will drop 20+ pts.
Smart will be a mid grade starting PG.
Vonleh is a bust
Embiid will never play 60 games in a season.
Gordon is top 3.
Exum is Lavine.
Randle decent tweener not quite sap but a starter.
Parker will become more efficient in years 2 & 3. His team will be a perennial playoff team.
Staukus(see Ugli's post)
Nurkic will be a srs low post threat off the bench but also a black hole and a bad starter. He's the kind of guy that can wear down better and more expensive bigs. A contender will make a play at him within a few years if not on draft night.
Wiggins It's up to him? Needs a coach that will push him.
Smart will be a mid grade starting PG.
Vonleh is a bust
Embiid will never play 60 games in a season.
Gordon is top 3.
Exum is Lavine.
Randle decent tweener not quite sap but a starter.
Parker will become more efficient in years 2 & 3. His team will be a perennial playoff team.
Staukus(see Ugli's post)
Nurkic will be a srs low post threat off the bench but also a black hole and a bad starter. He's the kind of guy that can wear down better and more expensive bigs. A contender will make a play at him within a few years if not on draft night.
Wiggins It's up to him? Needs a coach that will push him.
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Twin Towers
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Again I could totally be wrong on the guy. but I don't like his shot and I think he is out of control going to the basket. And his playmaking skills are highly overrated. People are just obsessed with big PG's right now. Another fetish that will eventually die down in a few years.
QuinSnydersHair
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I agree on most but not on Randle (he's gonna be good, perhaps an empty stats guy like Parker, but he'll score and rebound well) or Payton. I am a HUGE believer that players succeed at an insanely high level if their dad/mom played in the NBA or were elite athletes. Kobe, Thompson, Curry, Love, hell even Brewer and a guy like Mike Conley whose dad was an Olympic Gold medalist. The list goes on and on. These kids have been groomed their whole lives to be pros, work their tails off, learn the game, and maximize their abilities for the pro game. If Payton had glaring holes, I'd be scared. But he's got size, great athleticism, a good feel for the game, and so forth. I think he'll struggle a little early but 4-6 years from now be a very good point much like the aforementioned Mike Conley.
There are exceptions to this but in a league where 80% of the guys become nobodies, they're sort of rare.
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