Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree about Parsons. I'd love to have him on the Jazz, but I think he will have plenty of suitors, and I honestly think he will stay loyal to the Rockets. If we can't get Parsons, I don't see any other players out there (that would likely come to Utah) that would be an adequate replacement.

The Jazz should at least reach out to Parson's agent and see if he is a viable option. Even then the Cockets could match...

The Rockets have big plans... I think a team could swoop in and offer Parsons the max and it would really screw up what they are trying to do. Them not picking up his option was a bit risky to me.

I really just brought up Parsons as the best comp for Hayward. To attract Parsons it would take the max... so if you get Gtime at less than the max you pump your fist and move on. I think he will have to be our starting SF next year.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If there are really multiple teams lining up to offer him max you have to match anything he gets. Doesn't matter what we think he is worth. If multiple teams think he is a playmaker at the SF position, a rarity I might add, then he has value and we can sort it out by feb of we are not comfortable long term.

Agree.
But Jazz might be going about this wrong. They should be "meh" on re-signing Gordon. Then if a team really, really wants him, they might make a reasonable offer the Jazz could match. Otherwise, Hayward's agent just needs to call in a favor, have a team sign Gordon to a big contract, knowing that the Jazz will certainly match.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If the Suns offer him the max you either match or force them to send you two first round picks (they have the lakers pick next year only top 5 protected... it'd be great to have a vested interest in more Lakers hate). You can't make this decision by just saying G-time isn't a max player... there is not enough difference between Hayward at 12 per year and Hayward at 16 per year to let the guy walk without significant compensation. If Burks and Exum explode you will be able to move Hayward later.

The only other talent out there that is comparable would be Parsons.... Would it take the max to get Parsons? I would think so.

If he signs an offer sheet you can't match and then trade him to that same team. If Gordon really wanted to go to Phoenix, I'd do that deal (Laker's pick) as part of a S&T.

 

[cowhide]

Not allowed.

2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria.
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Hayward doesn't meet the criteria for the 5/30% contract. So as I understand it, the cap is expected to increase to $63M, which would make a MAX contract for Hayward start at $15,750,000 (25%) and his salary could increase 4.5% per season for 4 years. GVC, Kenwood...is this correct?

I'd HATE to see Gordon playing for anything CLOSE to that amount, but honestly, it doesn't hurt us for a couple of years. And it could be traded. For example, if Phoenix offered Hayward the MAX and we matched, we could turn around and deal Hayward to Boston after 1 year.

You are assuming that Boston would take him with that contract.

 

[Stifle Tower]

You are assuming that Boston would take him with that contract.

If it's rumored that several teams are considering signing him, there will be a market, even if he's a little overpriced. Once the Lebron-3 return to Miami and Carmelo signs with Chicago or Houston, a number of teams will be looking for the next best option. And that will be 1) Love in a trade; 2) Hayward. In fact, in the three days allowed to decide to match Hayward's offer sheet, if I were Lindsey, I'd call every other team in the NBA to see if there were interest in a trade. Hayward would have to provide his consent to be traded, of course, but if he didn't want to remain in Utah, I'd give him his wish. I'd just want some compensation in return. Of course, this should all be worked out in a S&T before an offer sheet is signed. Only way it wouldn't be is if the other team thought the rumor that Utah would match any offer was just a bluff.

 

[cowhide]

The Rockets have big plans... I think a team could swoop in and offer Parsons the max and it would really screw up what they are trying to do. Them not picking up his option was a bit risky to me.

I really just brought up Parsons as the best comp for Hayward. To attract Parsons it would take the max... so if you get Gtime at less than the max you pump your fist and move on. I think he will have to be our starting SF next year.

I disagree, the Rockets are trying to open cap space, they give Parsons a max deal they are screwed trying to bring in Carmelo or another big free agent. I just can't believe that people are so willing to just hand out Max deals to average to good players in the NBA. It seems like insanity to me. I think the Jazz could wait a little and see if Houston really will match Parsons or if they go after a big fish instead. I certainly think Parson's would jump at a $10 -11 million dollar deal with a poison pill in it. The dude made less that a million this year. I just don't see Houston wanting to invest that much in Parson because basically they are stuck with the same team they had last year if they do.

 

[cowhide]

Has anyone consider the possibility that these "rumors" of multiple teams wanting to give Hayward a max deal are b#&$(#hit. Look how many rumors during the draft were bogus. I may be wrong but if players like hayward get max deals then there is no wonder why seats cost so much and beer is 7.00 bucks a pop.

 

[akirac73]

Like others have said, I think it may have been better for the Jazz to take the stance that they will only match up to $X/year so other teams will go in with a more reasonable offer which would be easy to match. Another downfall for going the "we will match anything" route, is that we basically ruin our negotiating position with any of our other players coming up for new contracts. The message the Jazz are sending is, "Hey, it's okay if you don't live up to expectations, you show that you're not a leader and a winner, and have the worst shooting season of your career...you're still deserving of a huge payday. That's how the Utah Jazz roll, money grows on trees for us."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree, the Rockets are trying to open cap space, they give Parsons a max deal they are screwed trying to bring in Carmelo or another big free agent.

That is literally what I said Cowhide... someone could come in and offer him the max and screw up their plans. Not saying I would do it, but someone could. They think they can sign a max free agent and then also sign Parsons... Offering Parsons the max would mess up their plan. Also, they are likely to try and use him is a sign and trade. I wouldn't wait around if I was him.

 

[silesian]

Don't worry, be happy

Here's a novel idea: it's the Miller's money. If they want to spend it, it's their prerogative. Stop worrying about how other people want to spend their money.

I agree, the amount the Millers spend is their prerogative and it is none of our business. If they choose to give Lucas and Ian Clarke max deals, it will have no bearing on Jazz wins or losses or to fan's enjoyment of Jazz basketball.

Moderators, please close this thread.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Has anyone consider the possibility that these "rumors" of multiple teams wanting to give Hayward a max deal are b#&$(#hit. Look how many rumors during the draft were bogus. I may be wrong but if players like hayward get max deals then there is no wonder why seats cost so much and beer is 7.00 bucks a pop.

Yes, and that's why the Jazz have always taken the stance that players should go out and establish their market value. Backfired with Raja 1.0 because he didn't give Utah a chance to offer him equal or better. Worked with Millsap as they matched the Portland offer (but ruffled the feathers of his uncle/agent). Backfired with Matthews. May have been able to sign him for less. But NO ONE saw that kind of offer coming, so I don't blame KOC.

 

[silesian]

"Sources"

" Jazz are prepared to match any offers to restricted free agent Gordon Hayward, per sources. Phoenix, Boston and Charlotte all interested. "

Are these the same sources that swore the Jazz offered Favors to move up? Or the sources that swore Exum would be picked before 5? Or the ones who said "Sixers will do anything to get Wiggins?"

More likely they are extrapolating from less categorical statements like the ones made by Dennis.