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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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Hotttnickkk said:
LOL.. CHA for one if we're matching Hayward the way you're wanting us to this year.
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Charlotte won't have too much need for Burks. Gordon is the perfect playmaker for them. Burks just replaces Henderson.

ALso next year they'll have to juggle with huge capholds of Kemba(around $10M off the top of my head), Jefferson opt out($13.5M) and potentially Henderson($6M).

But they could potentially do it. Just don't see the fit.

I think they'll deal Haywood's amnesty non guaranteed contract around the deadline. Will be huge cap relieve for whoever buys it.
 
BTP said:
Deng hasn't signaled interest until now and doesn't fit the championship window. I'd say yes to Luol because I both like him as a player and as a person. But not instead of Gordon, but on top of him. Will do some calculations now.

One thing that I feel is a genereally accepted truth here:
Gordon's price tag doesn't deserve an upside component because he's got horrible measurements, mediocre athleticism and is a white player whose game depends more on skill and finesse.

I think his contract will be sub optimal but far from horrible from a value to price ratio
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What's your projections with the contention window, I mean specifically the time span and all?

Deng or Hayward, I don't see us above mediocrity anywhere near soon, either way. First round survivers at best. Even if we are competitive after a couple years, I see Hayward as just a nice piece for us, a contender team, but he's not essential(irreplaceable I mean) in my opinion. I've always argued for reducing the role of Hayward on the team. Point forward doesn't work in the NBA unless you have it in Lebron James or you have a highly innovative game style ala Magic with Dwight/Hedo plus shooters.

And, in case just you don't know, I'm a Gordo lover, I like versatile, finesse and smart players and I always thought he was underrated in the forum.
 
BTP said:
I like Hayward's upside over Ariza, who has already proven twice to be a contract year only player. I'm not taking that risk. Ariza also doesn't fit the contention window.

Garcia is minimum contract guy. Well then tell me which restricted/unrestricted guys you wanna target in 2015. Vague again.

It's possible Lopez opts out. But that requires him to be completely healthy next year. And then again with quadruple ankle injuries he's not going to get value that matches his potential production. Even if healthy if his agent doesn't find a deal through backchannels or below the table in advance, Lopez is better off proving he's healthy.
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Trevor Ariza has won a championship, hes had injuries that coincided with his down years, you forget key points like that in your all seeing analysis.

Everyone talks of 3 and D players around here, but clearly the overall sentiment is yall prefer Hayward.

You are flat out wrong about Brook Lopez, if hes healthy and normal he will EASILY get the max, at this point in his career, hes bigger and stronger than most every C, Lopez is like Prime Yao on offense. He punked the Jazz bigmen so bad last year, he barely needed to play in the 2nd half.

Lopez is my preferred Bigman in the 2015 class but IIRC theres a bunch of them, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Asik, enough where if the Jazz had 30 mil in space they could throw out a bunch of offers to worthy players.

Theres a ton of mid-level guys that are interesting; Wesley Matthews, Marco Bellineli, Danny Green, Thaddeus Young

Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson are restricted. Faried too.

Goran Dragic will opt out, Gerald Green will be on the market, if he has another efficient year, I'd sign him to a decent sized deal no problems.

Maybe even a Gerald Henderson, or Gary Neal. Demarre Carrol, Paul Millsap and Rajon Rondo will be unrestricted aswell.

I can find 100's of scenarios that i prefer over giving Hayward 63 mil, tbh, some of it might take 1 year of patience, but the Tank would strengthen as a result too.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Trevor Ariza has won championships, hes had injuries that coincided with his down years, you forget key points like that in your all seeing analysis.

Everyone talks of 3 and D players around here, but clearly the overall sentiment is yall prefer Hayward.

You are flat out wrong about Brook Lopez, if hes healthy and normal he will EASILY get the max, at this point in his career, hes bigger and stronger than most every C, Lopez is like Prime Yao on offense. He punked the Jazz bigmen so bad last year, he barely needed to play in the 2nd half.

Lopez is my preferred Bigman in the 2015 class but IIRC theres a bunch of them, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Asik, enough where if the Jazz had 30 mil in space they could throw out a bunch of offers to worthy players.

Theres a ton of mid-level guys that are interesting; Wesley Matthews, Marco Bellineli, Danny Green, Thaddeus Young

Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson are restricted. Faried too.

Goran Dragic will opt out, Gerald Green will be on the market, if he has another efficient year, I'd sign him to a decent sized deal no problems.

Maybe even a Gerald Henderson, or Gary Neal. Demarre Carrol, Paul Millsap and Rajon Rondo will be unrestricted aswell.

I can find 100's of scenarios that i prefer over giving Hayward 63 mil, tbh, some of it might take 1 year of patience, but the Tank would strengthen as a result too.
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Damn.. gotta spread my seed. Nice post.

Also, if we don't match and make no other moves, how far below the minimum are we?
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Trevor Ariza has won a championship, hes had injuries that coincided with his down years, you forget key points like that in your all seeing analysis.

Everyone talks of 3 and D players around here, but clearly the overall sentiment is yall prefer Hayward.

You are flat out wrong about Brook Lopez, if hes healthy and normal he will EASILY get the max, at this point in his career, hes bigger and stronger than most every C, Lopez is like Prime Yao on offense. He punked the Jazz bigmen so bad last year, he barely needed to play in the 2nd half.

Lopez is my preferred Bigman in the 2015 class but IIRC theres a bunch of them, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Asik, enough where if the Jazz had 30 mil in space they could throw out a bunch of offers to worthy players.

Theres a ton of mid-level guys that are interesting; Wesley Matthews, Marco Bellineli, Danny Green, Thaddeus Young

Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson are restricted. Faried too.

Goran Dragic will opt out, Gerald Green will be on the market, if he has another efficient year, I'd sign him to a decent sized deal no problems.

Maybe even a Gerald Henderson, or Gary Neal. Demarre Carrol, Paul Millsap and Rajon Rondo will be unrestricted aswell.

I can find 100's of scenarios that i prefer over giving Hayward 63 mil, tbh, some of it might take 1 year of patience, but the Tank would strengthen as a result too.
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Wouldn't mind seeing those 2 back in SL. Millsap and Favors would make a pretty nice pairing now with Favors playing the C and Millsap learning how to shoot those 3's and the league going small ball.
 
framer said:
Lessee, the Blazers, Lakers, Suns, Spurs, Raptors, Heat, Sixers, and Magic for starters, plus anyone that can use those teams to create cap space. (obviously some of these teams fight fill some of that space between now and then. . .) Also, the Knicks even if they sign Carmelo.

On the flip side, you could use that cap space to make a run at Wesley Matthews if you fancied him who will be an RFA next year.
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Lemme see:
Blazers: At least 56.5M cap hold if they renounce every slacker. That would exclude them from using MLE though. Not sure they want that. Also some of their own guys are due for raises. -> Unlikely
Lakers: Have Cap Space but usually go for big fish. Kobe $25M + Randle $3.1M + Love $18.5M + some other long term contracts they make this summer or at least $5M for roster slot cap holds. Leaves them at $15M in projected cap space. Also eventually their own draft pick has a hold. Way too vague. But my best guess they find another way to spend. Also Burks and Kobe are redundant to some extent. -> Too early to tell, but possible.
Suns: Could be depending on what they do with Gerald Green, Dragic. But if they're about keeping their functioning unit together, they wouldn't wanna spend their limited cap space on him, but look for reinforcements on the big positions. Have to deal with Morris bros as restricted as well. -> too early to tell, but unlikely
Spurs: Are capped due to expirings from Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Belinelli, Green. Also Kawhi (Spurs-close-to) max extension kicks in(They'll give him that) -> very unlikely
RAptors: No need with them being close to the cap when you subtract bums, having to deal with extending Amir Johnson. Have invested heavily in their backcourt: Lowry($12M), Vasquez($6.5M), DeRozan($9.5M), Ross($3.5M, rookie ends after 15/16), Caboclo ($1.3M). -> no chance
Heat: If big 3 remain, no cap space. Else they might spend their capspace on him if they don't want to traditionally rebuild. -> unlikely, too early to tell
Sixers: Want to be bad competitively until 2016 or 2017. Too early for them to start contributing pieces. Burks not good enough a shooter to pick up good value and leave that plan -> Very unlikely.
Magic: Backcourt minutes are for other guys. Also too bad a shooter to help them. Invested in Lil' Ben to shoot the lights out as reserve guard. -> unlikely, because another piece with no shooting. But then again Orlando was weird this draft as well.
 
BTP said:
Lemme see:
Blazers: At least 56.5M cap hold if they renounce every slacker. That would exclude them from using MLE though. Not sure they want that. Also some of their own guys are due for raises. -> Unlikely
Lakers: Have Cap Space but usually go for big fish. Kobe $25M + Randle $3.1M + Love $18.5M + some other long term contracts they make this summer or at least $5M for roster slot cap holds. Leaves them at $15M in projected cap space. Also eventually their own draft pick has a hold. Way too vague. But my best guess they find another way to spend. Also Burks and Kobe are redundant to some extent. -> Too early to tell, but possible.
Suns: Could be depending on what they do with Gerald Green, Dragic. But if they're about keeping their functioning unit together, they wouldn't wanna spend their limited cap space on him, but look for reinforcements on the big positions. Have to deal with Morris bros as restricted as well. -> too early to tell, but unlikely
Spurs: Are capped due to expirings from Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Belinelli, Green. Also Kawhi (Spurs-close-to) max extension kicks in(They'll give him that) -> very unlikely
RAptors: No need with them being close to the cap when you subtract bums, having to deal with extending Amir Johnson. Have invested heavily in their backcourt: Lowry($12M), Vasquez($6.5M), DeRozan($9.5M), Ross($3.5M, rookie ends after 15/16), Caboclo ($1.3M). -> no chance
Heat: If big 3 remain, no cap space. Else they might spend their capspace on him if they don't want to traditionally rebuild. -> unlikely, too early to tell
Sixers: Want to be bad competitively until 2016 or 2017. Too early for them to start contributing pieces. Burks not good enough a shooter to pick up good value and leave that plan -> Very unlikely.
Magic: Backcourt minutes are for other guys. Also too bad a shooter to help them. Invested in Lil' Ben to shoot the lights out as reserve guard. -> unlikely, because another piece with no shooting. But then again Orlando was weird this draft as well.
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Nice try, but let's face it this is all speculation at this point.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
What's your projections with the contention window, I mean specifically the time span and all?

Deng or Hayward, I don't see us above mediocrity anywhere near soon, either way. First round survivers at best. Even if we are competitive after a couple years, I see Hayward as just a nice piece for us, a contender team, but he's not essential(irreplaceable I mean) in my opinion. I've always argued for reducing the role of Hayward on the team. Point forward doesn't work in the NBA unless you have it in Lebron James or you have a highly innovative game style ala Magic with Dwight/Hedo plus shooters.

And, in case just you don't know, I'm a Gordo lover, I like versatile, finesse and smart players and I always thought he was underrated in the forum.
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2018 if development is better than anticipated at earliest barring some contributing veteran additions.

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Trevor Ariza has won a championship, hes had injuries that coincided with his down years, you forget key points like that in your all seeing analysis.

Everyone talks of 3 and D players around here, but clearly the overall sentiment is yall prefer Hayward.

You are flat out wrong about Brook Lopez, if hes healthy and normal he will EASILY get the max, at this point in his career, hes bigger and stronger than most every C, Lopez is like Prime Yao on offense. He punked the Jazz bigmen so bad last year, he barely needed to play in the 2nd half.

Lopez is my preferred Bigman in the 2015 class but IIRC theres a bunch of them, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Asik, enough where if the Jazz had 30 mil in space they could throw out a bunch of offers to worthy players.

Theres a ton of mid-level guys that are interesting; Wesley Matthews, Marco Bellineli, Danny Green, Thaddeus Young

Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson are restricted. Faried too.

Goran Dragic will opt out, Gerald Green will be on the market, if he has another efficient year, I'd sign him to a decent sized deal no problems.

Maybe even a Gerald Henderson, or Gary Neal. Demarre Carrol, Paul Millsap and Rajon Rondo will be unrestricted aswell.

I can find 100's of scenarios that i prefer over giving Hayward 63 mil, tbh, some of it might take 1 year of patience, but the Tank would strengthen as a result too.
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I know how good Brook is, he just hasn't been healthy in years. Teams know that risk. 5-74-18 are his regular season games in the last 3 seasons. If he plays 82 on a high level, he'll get paid.
If he plays 75 on a mediocre level(for his standards) he may be better off confirming his durability in 15/16.

Also all of the underlined guys are a reason why next year it won't such a free agency gangbang party like this summer. Way too many productive but not max guys when you consider the overall capspace that teams have.

I also like that match at the deadline strategy by Lindsey. Shows guys going after Burks: Don't **** with Utah in RFA or we stick it right back to you.

This may set the tone for Kanter + Burks next summer.

Didn't answer about Ariza since there's no way to speculate from both sides. You blame injuries. I don't like him because in the injury free time he's been unproductive as well from my POV. That's an argument that the next 3 years will answer. Veterans with changing productions are hard to read.
 
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