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Quick quotes from Bobby Gonzalez about two Jazz players with team US practices.

da ThRONe

da ThRONe

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Bobby Gonzalez is a former collegiate coach and writer for Sheridan hoops. He had this to say about things he observed from team USA practice.

"While there is a point guard battle going on with the national team, the Select Team had young point guards who also did some damage today, further stressing that the future of the point position in the NBA is in good hands with Marcus Smart and Trey Burke."

"I like Gordon Hayward as a player but couldn’t help thinking he’s a nice role player. He’s a great piece of the puzzle to have, but I’m very surprised he became a max salary player this summer."

https://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/...ooks-great-for-team-usa-but-there-is-pg-glut/
 
But....sigh.

What Hayward lacks in basketball superstar skills, he more than makes up for with his charisma and charm. The way he connects with teammates, fans and the media can be compared to other great American icons like Mr. Burns, Charles Emerson Winchester, Dennis Nedry, and Ray Zalenski.

I was glad to read that the new max money contract was not going to burden Hayward with feelings of responsibility or pressure to perform. It's nice that he will be able to play and live with that same careless, oops I meant carefree attitude.
 
mellow said:
But....sigh.

What Hayward lacks in basketball superstar skills, he more than makes up for with his charisma and charm. The way he connects with teammates, fans and the media can be compared to other great American icons like Mr. Burns, Charles Emerson Winchester, Dennis Nedry, and Ray Zalenski.

I was glad to read that the new max money contract was not going to burden Hayward with feelings of responsibility or pressure to perform. It's nice that he will be able to play and live with that same careless, oops I meant carefree attitude.
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Or maybe this is ONE guy from a minor publication. Bobby Gonzalez had success at Manhattan but was a .500 coach at Seton Hall. He's hardly the guru of men's basketball. I wonder what his evaluation of Scottie Pippen would have been. Look, I was one of the most vocal critics of Hayward's contract. Given his last season, there is ZERO doubt his contract is out of whack. But Charlotte offered max; Lindsey decided to match. Get over it.

Hayward is not going to be a dominant player on the USA team. His game is filling the stat sheet, not scoring 30+ points. In that respect, he's not going to get the big headlines every night. In some ways, I feel sorry for Gordon. No matter how well he does this year, he won't win with many fans because of his contract. Jazz have 13 guys who all merit minutes. I think we'll be like SA where NO one in the regular season played more than 30 mins and the highest scorer came in at <17/per. Which would mean this board will be full of posts hating on Hayward for not averaging 20/10/5 as a "max player" and fire DL threads.
 
Core4 said:
Or maybe this is ONE guy from a minor publication. Bobby Gonzalez had success at Manhattan but was a .500 coach at Seton Hall. He's hardly the guru of men's basketball. I wonder what his evaluation of Scottie Pippen would have been. Look, I was one of the most vocal critics of Hayward's contract. Given his last season, there is ZERO doubt his contract is out of whack. But Charlotte offered max; Lindsey decided to match. Get over it.

Hayward is not going to be a dominant player on the USA team. His game is filling the stat sheet, not scoring 30+ points. In that respect, he's not going to get the big headlines every night. In some ways, I feel sorry for Gordon. No matter how well he does this year, he won't win with many fans because of his contract. Jazz have 13 guys who all merit minutes. I think we'll be like SA where NO one in the regular season played more than 30 mins and the highest scorer came in at <17/per. Which would mean this board will be full of posts hating on Hayward for not averaging 20/10/5 as a "max player" and fire DL threads.
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I won't go as far as fire Lindsey. However max contracts should make GM's jobs fairly easy. Numbers aside because that is largely impacted by things like play style and pace. Just the overall impact of a max player is easy to see. If that guy doesn't have that ability to consistently have game winning impacts he's not worth the max and if another franchise is willing to make a bad decision you let them. In a salary cap league players contracts will always be an issue. Fans have every right to be critical of a player based on what he or she makes and not only the player themselves, but management whom thought said contract was a worthy investment.
 
da ThRONe said:
I won't go as far as fire Lindsey. However max contracts should make GM's jobs fairly easy. Numbers aside because that is largely impacted by things like play style and pace. Just the overall impact of a max player is easy to see. If that guy doesn't have that ability to consistently have game winning impacts he's not worth the max and if another franchise is willing to make a bad decision you let them. In a salary cap league players contracts will always be an issue. Fans have every right to be critical of a player based on what he or she makes and not only the player themselves, but management whom thought said contract was a worthy investment.
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Players are assets. Jazz have Gordon for 3 years. I have no doubt he'll opt out after year #3 in order to seek a much bigger contract as a 7 yr player.
Year 1: money had to be spent or paid out as "bonuses" to guys on roster if Utah was under the floor. Who else is on the market, Monroe? Bledsoe?
Year 2: next summer a spot can be cleared for almost anyone prior to matching or signing for Kanter/Burks (if the Jazz want to keep one or both).
Year 3: At worst, Utah may be handcuffed for one season by Hayward's contract. But last I saw, guys like Lebron, 'Melo and Kobe weren't breaking down doors trying to play for Utah. Or, as an expiring contract or in a Kevin-Love type situation where a team wants to acquire him and he promises to either not opt out or extend, he'd have good trade value.

The alternative option was to let him go to Charlotte and get NOTHING in return.
 
Core4 said:
Players are assets. Jazz have Gordon for 3 years. I have no doubt he'll opt out after year #3 in order to seek a much bigger contract as a 7 yr player.
Year 1: money had to be spent or paid out as "bonuses" to guys on roster if Utah was under the floor. Who else is on the market, Monroe? Bledsoe?
Year 2: next summer a spot can be cleared for almost anyone prior to matching or signing for Kanter/Burks (if the Jazz want to keep one or both).
Year 3: At worst, Utah may be handcuffed for one season by Hayward's contract. But last I saw, guys like Lebron, 'Melo and Kobe weren't breaking down doors trying to play for Utah. Or, as an expiring contract or in a Kevin-Love type situation where a team wants to acquire him and he promises to either not opt out or extend, he'd have good trade value.

The alternative option was to let him go to Charlotte and get NOTHING in return.
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1st mistake is assuming Hayward will opt out in 3 years. By the end of this contract 17 million may be several times more than what Hayward could get in the open market.

Next this is assuming you can predict what all your players will become or command when they hit the open market. People here love Burks what if he develops into a all-star/all-nba player(which isn't a huge stretch when you consider there aren't many marquee 2 guards in the league). Certainly he will demand a max contract if he anything near that level.

As far as what's available sure only Monroe and Bledsoe are what's left this year (and I'm sure most Jazz fans would want both), but you don't know how the landscape will look next off season or the one after that so game planning is completely futile. So instead of just saying "Why not we have the cap space" management should be making wise decisions. Giving max money to complementary players isn't a wise choice. That all you can control as a GM.
 
Core4 said:
Players are assets. Jazz have Gordon for 3 years. I have no doubt he'll opt out after year #3 in order to seek a much bigger contract as a 7 yr player.
Year 1: money had to be spent or paid out as "bonuses" to guys on roster if Utah was under the floor. Who else is on the market, Monroe? Bledsoe?
Year 2: next summer a spot can be cleared for almost anyone prior to matching or signing for Kanter/Burks (if the Jazz want to keep one or both).
Year 3: At worst, Utah may be handcuffed for one season by Hayward's contract. But last I saw, guys like Lebron, 'Melo and Kobe weren't breaking down doors trying to play for Utah. Or, as an expiring contract or in a Kevin-Love type situation where a team wants to acquire him and he promises to either not opt out or extend, he'd have good trade value.

The alternative option was to let him go to Charlotte and get NOTHING in return.
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No the alternative was to up the first offer if the difference wasn't much or trade his butt before he becomes a free agent because you know he wants the max and you should also know he isn't worth it. Once he got on the open market, the Jazz lost their ability to negotiate besides leaving the decision up to some knucklehead organization to give him the max. The Jazz also had the ability to match which in my opinion was stupid. However, it allowed the Jazz front office to save some dignity since they screwed up the initial offer/negotiations.
 
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