The history white people need to learn

[fishonjazz]

I have always considered Irish and polish Americans to be white

 

[♪alt13]

Think Scootsy already did that for him.

Nope Scootsy made an argument against white pride. Something that would agree with my rejection of all racial pride. He did not make an argument supporting black pride.

The author briefly did though my position is that her argument is an excuse for holding a puerile and petty position/emotion.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I have always considered Irish and polish Americans to be white

You've only been around for like 30-40ish years.

 

[Jonah]

It's a tough and touchy time to be old and white in America. Changing demographics will inevitably end the electoral relevance of the Southern Strategy; 2016 truly is the last stand and shock and confusion will reign as Republicans realize they are Custer. If a Democrat wins in 2016 the Republican Party will implode.

 

[fishonjazz]

You've only been around for like 30-40ish years.

Yep.

I tend to think that they were thought of as white 100 years ago as well though..... maybe poor white, or immigrant white, but white none the less.

The arcticle seems to be saying, and I'm simplifying, that white means well off or powerful.
I tend to think that poor, white, underprivileged people have always existed and have been considered white

 

[One Brow]

Pride is a crutch that is worn as a crown.

"Black pride", "gay pride", etc. is not about feeling pride per se; it's about rejecting shame. Messages of how black culture is bad, gay people are sinful, etc. reverberate in popular culture; these pride events are saying that people are not ashamed of who they are. It's a public declaration of the rejection of society's messages.

 

[candrew]

Not a bad article; but as the title suggests, it is what it is: History

The good news is while the 20th Century was about dividing us by race, the 21st Century will most certainly be about dividing us by class. The lines are already clearly drawn

So in the coming decades, poor white folks and black folks can at least feel good about being flushed down the same toilet together.

 

[One Brow]

I tend to think that they were thought of as white 100 years ago as well though..... maybe poor white, or immigrant white, but white none the less.

The arcticle seems to be saying, and I'm simplifying, that white means well off or powerful.
I tend to think that poor, white, underprivileged people have always existed and have been considered white

You are allowed to think that, and you are allowed to choose to be wrong. If you go back about 120 years, you'll find drawings illustrating the supposedly ape-like features of the Irish, essays on their low character, etc.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Yep.

I tend to think that they were thought of as white 100 years ago as well though..... maybe poor white, or immigrant white, but white none the less.

The arcticle seems to be saying, and I'm simplifying, that white means well off or powerful.
I tend to think that poor, white, underprivileged people have always existed and have been considered white

The article has a very focused opinion that is flawed IMO. Those in power will do what is necessary to keep power, regardless of who they suppress. The largest oppressed group in this country (and the world) are those that are poor.

 

[8]

Read Howard Zinn's book y'all

 

[fishonjazz]

You are allowed to think that, and you are allowed to choose to be wrong. If you go back about 120 years, you'll find drawings illustrating the supposedly ape-like features of the Irish, essays on their low character, etc.

according to the arcticle it seems that 100+ years ago, white = rich and powerful
So does that mean that wealthy and powerful africans, asians, arabs, etc were considered to be white back then? Interesting

 

[Deleted member 848]

according to the arcticle it seems that 100+ years ago, white = rich and powerful
So does that mean that wealthy and powerful africans, asians, arabs, etc were considered to be white back then? Interesting

I'd really suggest reading the article again-- and as you're doing so, try to understand what the author is trying to "say", instead of focusing on why the author is wrong, or why his arguments have holes.