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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

DutchJazzer said:
exactly.


LET them MARKET decide.

if a no blacks allowed bar or pool opens. people will boycot it.
sooner or later people might bocoyt straight only marriage services.

the governement should stop regulating marriage and should stop forcing **** down our throat.
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The market may do a great job at deciding this in a New York City or Los Angeles or even towns/cities like Ft. Collins that have 90k people or so.

The market would do a terrible job in deciding this in all the small towns across the country. I doubt all 2000 or whatever residents of Wakeeney Kansas are going to boycott the only bowling alley in town if the bigoted owner refuses to serve the one black family in town.
 
One Brow said:
Your religion has a bigoted stance currently.
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To quote Princess Bride, "I do not think that word means what you think it means." Namely, the word "bigot" implies a motivation of hate. The LDS church's opposition to gay marriage is not based on hate. Quite the contrary, the church teaches very strongly that we should love gay individuals, even/especially ones that oppose us on the marriage thing. Ergo, you are way off base.
 
One Brow said:
Good. You should hold me to high standards; I learn more that way.



Driving is a privilege instead of a right, but if we had laws that Mormons were not allowed to get driver's licenses under any circumstances, I think you would find that bigoted. Anyone can earn the right to drive, gays can not earn the right to have their marriage sealed, no matter how qualified they are as Mormons otherwise.
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Loose analogy. Driving is a dominant means of transportation in this country-- in fact, for some it is the only means of transportation.


If a temple doesn't allow homosexual marriage, then that's perfectly fine-- the homosexual married couple can find one of thousands of organized faiths that accept their identities.
 
colton said:
To quote Princess Bride, "I do not think that word means what you think it means." Namely, the word "bigot" implies a motivation of hate. The LDS church's opposition to gay marriage is not based on hate. Quite the contrary, the church teaches very strongly that we should love gay individuals, even/especially ones that oppose us on the marriage thing. Ergo, you are way off base.
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It becomes perceived as hateful when you think that your perception should apply on a country that exceeds 300 000 000 people. It implies that you find their views incorrect, and then it takes another step and forces them to subscribe to your beliefs.
 
Nate505 said:
The market may do a great job at deciding this in a New York City or Los Angeles or even towns/cities like Ft. Collins that have 90k people or so.

The market would do a terrible job in deciding this in all the small towns across the country. I doubt all 2000 or whatever residents of Wakeeney Kansas are going to boycott the only bowling alley in town if the bigoted owner refuses to serve the one black family in town.
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let the market decide if we should abolish slavery.











wait.
 
Edgewriter said:
One Brows comments in this thread are proof to me that persecution of the church (Those Bigoted Mormons) won't end with the legal recognition of gay marriage.
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I truly and sincerely don't give a **** about what other religions, religious denominations, or religious cults practice-- as long as it doesn't compensate the physical and mental health of their followers, their followers follow the laws set out by the US government (or in my case, the Canadian government), and that their beliefs don't infringe on my health, my beliefs, or my faith. The whole preoccupation with denying marriage rights to homosexuals is mind-numbing and quite frankly un-American.
 
dalamon said:
let the market decide if we should abolish slavery.











wait.
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A labor market doesn't make slavery. People acting in direct violation of the constitution and declaration of independence do. A free labor market would create some really cheap labor, but given our human rights, it wouldn't make slaves.
 
LazyD said:
A labor market doesn't make slavery. People acting in direct violation of the constitution and declaration of independence do. A free labor market would create some really cheap labor, but given our human rights, it wouldn't make slaves.
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A completely free labor market technically wouldn't have to worry about violating laws set about by governing bodies, no?


If corporations within the markets really ubiquitously gave a **** about slavery, they wouldn't be directly perpetuating it in non-American countries at this very moment.



But that's besides my point. My point wasn't meant to be economically-based. I could have worded it better. I was more commenting on public opinion, and the foolishness of using majority opinions to justify a position in a debate.
 
dalamon said:
A completely free labor market technically wouldn't have to worry about violating laws set about by governing bodies, no?


If corporations within the markets really ubiquitously gave a **** about slavery, they wouldn't be directly perpetuating it in non-American countries at this very moment.



But that's besides my point. My point wasn't meant to be economically-based. I could have worded it better. I was more commenting on public opinion, and the foolishness of using majority opinions to justify a position in a debate.
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People wouldn't voluntarily be slaves unless they were retarded.
 
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