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Development Concerns

magic

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Obviously one of the main goals of this year is to strike a balance between developing our players and winning games. A trend that I’ve noticed in the last few games is that Hayward has been playing a lot of point forward, as early as the third quarter. I don’t mind this happening in crunch time and possibly the beginning of the fourth quarter, but I really don’t like it when we use this strategy as early as the third quarter.

An argument can be made that Hayward is the only one that can score (as the announcers say), but I would prefer that we struggle and learn how to play within the system rather than relying on Hayward. I feel like this really hampers Dante’s development, as his role essentially becomes to stand in the corner and wait for the ball. But I also feel like this is bad for the other players as they simply become dependent on Hayward.
I would prefer that we continue to run our offense as normal, even if that means we end up sucking badly. Because let’s face it, as amazing as Hayward has been playing, he still wasn’t able to carry us to victory over the lowly, half-injured Pacers. So instead of having somewhat competitive losses by allowing Hayward do everything as early as the 3rd quarter, I say we just straight up learn the hard way, let Exum learn how to be a point guard, have everyone else learn how to execute in these situations without relying solely on Hayward, and so be it if we have “noncompetitive” losses. Either path is giving us a loss. But I feel it will be better for us in the long term to develop our other players and I’m confident that these guys would eventually get it before the end of the season.

Not even Kobe Bryant can do it by himself, as witnessed by the Laker's first vicory. Hell, not even Lebron can do it by himself, so I feel this should be our strategy going forward.
 
I disagree, I think management would disagree, and I think the majority of fans especially the casual fan would disagree.

Having hayward play point forward to try and take over a game a handful of plays here and there is a good thing for HIS development, and we have a huge investment in him. A much bigger investment then what we have in Exum, or anyone else on the team for that matter. The Jazz are paying him huge money NOW, not huge money later on. His development is the top priority. It also helps us get wins which is what everyone wants right now. It's not like we are using Richard Jefferson to try and win games we are using ONLY important pieces to this team to win games. All of the most important roles on the team right now are being filled with core players. Zero outside vets are being used to try and help this team win.
 
Tough call on Hayward re: yesterday. To me seemed he didn't really get the chance to carry us to the win because they didn't go through him enough as much as they could've late in the game. He was 11/15 or whatever and seemed to have very few touches in the last 5 or whatever minutes. It was his teammates who missed good looks as the Pacers pushed away. Maybe he didn't demand the ball enough? It seemed like the shots were coming within the system anyway.

I reckon Exum is off the ball more than you'd hope in-part because his conditioning is so lacking. Not concerned about his development at all, even though we'd all like to see him assert himself more. Quin knows best. Patience.
 
Yeah I wasn't referring to a handful of plays or closing out games. I'm talking about him closing out entire halves(i.e. starting from the third quarter). I don't think making him do that starting from the third quarter is really developing him. But even if it was, I don't see how that is better for the team even though we invested a ton of money in him. He hasn't gotten us more wins when we've used him that early.
 
I disagree, I think management would disagree, and I think the majority of fans especially the casual fan would disagree.

Having hayward play point forward to try and take over a game a handful of plays here and there is a good thing for HIS development, and we have a huge investment in him. A much bigger investment then what we have in Exum, or anyone else on the team for that matter. The Jazz are paying him huge money NOW, not huge money later on. His development is the top priority. It also helps us get wins which is what everyone wants right now. It's not like we are using Richard Jefferson to try and win games we are using ONLY important pieces to this team to win games. All of the most important roles on the team right now are being filled with core players. Zero outside vets are being used to try and help this team win.

This... but I would also add that Hayward gets his with the team involved unlike some iso wings like Melo and Kobe. I think it may be the last problem this team has right now tbh.
 
I think they should be going to Hayward even more than they are now. He usually makes the right play anyway and will pass up shots to get his teammates good shots.

Plus he has earned more responsibility so far this year
 
Using Exum as a spot up shooter at times is one of the smartest things the coach did. You see he will be getting more duties over time slowly, he already is because he looks like a fast learner and tough competitor.
 
https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/teams/uth?season=2014

According to this he does in fact get us wins.

If anything I wanted to us go through him more last game, not less.

How does this prove anything? I don't even know how they are measuring this metric.

I'm not arguing Hayward should close out games. I'm saying it shouldn't happen so early (i.e the third quarter). Even if he was Lebron (which he will never be), I would still argue that the team should develop the rest of their players, because not even Lebron could carry the current team we have to a championship
 
How does this prove anything? I don't even know how they are measuring this metric.

I'm not arguing Hayward should close out games. I'm saying it shouldn't happen so early (i.e the third quarter). Even if he was Lebron (which he will never be), I would still argue that the team should develop the rest of their players, because not even Lebron could carry the current team we have to a championship

You don't know how this is measured? How about using your mouse and clicking to learn about it instead of just automatically dismissing it?

You bring up going through hayward in the 3rd. That happened to be the only time the team played well in the entire half, we went on a big run, and you are saying its a bad thing? That just doesn't compute.
 
I'm not arguing Hayward should close out games. I'm saying it shouldn't happen so early (i.e the third quarter). Even if he was Lebron (which he will never be), I would still argue that the team should develop the rest of their players, because not even Lebron could carry the current team we have to a championship

Providing an immediate, right-in-your-face example of the things a player needs to do to generate wins *is* a method of development.
 
You don't know how this is measured? How about using your mouse and clicking to learn about it instead of just automatically dismissing it?

You bring up going through hayward in the 3rd. That happened to be the only time the team played well in the entire half, we went on a big run, and you are saying its a bad thing? That just doesn't compute.

How about you try reading my entire beginning post instead of just one section of it. I said that while Hayward playing point guard starting since 3rd quarter might make the game somewhat competitive, we will still lose the game. And that's exactly what happened in the Indiana game and in a couple of other games.

So I'm saying instead of just relying on Hayward and losing games, that all our players learn to play together, even if that initially means losing games by more points.
 
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