Stifle Tower
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Ronnie Price was ok. If we were to acquire every minor player who has had a career night against Utah over the last several years, I think we'd have to expand the roster to 30-40 instead of 15.
Rudy Gobert "Greatest Jazz Center of All Time" Countdown Thread
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Ronnie Price was ok. If we were to acquire every minor player who has had a career night against Utah over the last several years, I think we'd have to expand the roster to 30-40 instead of 15.
Stifle Tower
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Halfway there after the last 2 games, including a monster 30 fantasy pt game against Miami.
framer
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#27 Curtis Borchardt
Points 258
Rebounds 278
Blocks 46
Steals 14
Assists 64
OK, let's get something out of the way right now. Curtis didn't suck, he just couldn't overcome his injuries. Had his feet cooperated, he would have been one of the best centers we ever had. A lot of people were angry because the Jazz traded up to draft Borchardt over Boozer. Remember however that EVERY team passed on Boozer at least once, and Borchardt was a "swing for the fences" pick in 2003 that was possible because he was "on sale" due to his injury. That bet didn't work out and Borchardt appeared in less than 90 games. When he played, he could defend, pass and shoot from distance, which is very rare for a center. I thought he went on to use his Stanford degree, but it appears that he was paying overseas up until a year or two ago. Good for him.
The lesson I take from Borchardt, and backed up by other examples, is that lingering foot issues for big men almost never go away, due to their weight, the size of their feet, and the stress of playing in the NBA. Thus I have almost no hope for Joel Embiid, although I hope he beats the odds. It also makes me happy that Gobert has shown no signs of lingering injury despite the pace he plays at.
Points 258
Rebounds 278
Blocks 46
Steals 14
Assists 64
OK, let's get something out of the way right now. Curtis didn't suck, he just couldn't overcome his injuries. Had his feet cooperated, he would have been one of the best centers we ever had. A lot of people were angry because the Jazz traded up to draft Borchardt over Boozer. Remember however that EVERY team passed on Boozer at least once, and Borchardt was a "swing for the fences" pick in 2003 that was possible because he was "on sale" due to his injury. That bet didn't work out and Borchardt appeared in less than 90 games. When he played, he could defend, pass and shoot from distance, which is very rare for a center. I thought he went on to use his Stanford degree, but it appears that he was paying overseas up until a year or two ago. Good for him.
The lesson I take from Borchardt, and backed up by other examples, is that lingering foot issues for big men almost never go away, due to their weight, the size of their feet, and the stress of playing in the NBA. Thus I have almost no hope for Joel Embiid, although I hope he beats the odds. It also makes me happy that Gobert has shown no signs of lingering injury despite the pace he plays at.
The lesson I take from Borchardt, and backed up by other examples, is that lingering foot issues for big men almost never go away, due to their weight, the size of their feet, and the stress of playing in the NBA. Thus I have almost no hope for Joel Embiid, although I hope he beats the odds. It also makes me happy that Gobert has shown no signs of lingering injury despite the pace he plays at.
I was always thankful that Big Z was able to fight and overcome his foot issues and contribute.
Also, Gobert continues to kick *** on the court.
Only those centers that manage to change their games to become completely ground based, à la Z and a few others, can survive lingering foot injuries long enough, but yes I agree, more so than knees or backs, feet are the Achilles' heel of massive centers.
framer
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#26 Kent Benson
Points 329
Rebounds 231
Blocks 28
Steals 39
Assists 39
Mostly known as the dude we traded Adrian Dantley for (well him and the forgettable Kelly Tripucka. It really set the current rebuild back. . .) Kent played for Indiana in college and only turned in a perfect season as a the team's star as a junior in 1976 (perfect meaning that they didn't lose a single game regular and post season.) He was the number one pick out of college. He was never able to break out in the NBA and was a 10 and 6 average guy for most of his career. When he came to the Jazz in 86 playing time was sparse behind emerging stars Mark Eaton and Karl Malone. He only averaged 12 minutes a game. He went on to play 2 games for Indiana the next season before playing one season overseas in Italy. Also well known for breaking Abdul-Jabbar's hand with his Jaw in his first game in the NBA. The NBA counted Abdul-Jabbar's two month recovery time as a suspension because that is how the NBA has ALWAYS rolled with the Lakers.
Points 329
Rebounds 231
Blocks 28
Steals 39
Assists 39
Mostly known as the dude we traded Adrian Dantley for (well him and the forgettable Kelly Tripucka. It really set the current rebuild back. . .) Kent played for Indiana in college and only turned in a perfect season as a the team's star as a junior in 1976 (perfect meaning that they didn't lose a single game regular and post season.) He was the number one pick out of college. He was never able to break out in the NBA and was a 10 and 6 average guy for most of his career. When he came to the Jazz in 86 playing time was sparse behind emerging stars Mark Eaton and Karl Malone. He only averaged 12 minutes a game. He went on to play 2 games for Indiana the next season before playing one season overseas in Italy. Also well known for breaking Abdul-Jabbar's hand with his Jaw in his first game in the NBA. The NBA counted Abdul-Jabbar's two month recovery time as a suspension because that is how the NBA has ALWAYS rolled with the Lakers.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Thanks for the update. Have to wait until after Christmas now...I get so greedy after a Jazz win.
I liked the Borchardt pick. The "conservative" Jazz FO DID swing for the fences. It was a last attempt to put together a championship caliber team for Stockton and Malone.
Just added up the totals for Benson: 666. I think you've identified the anti-Christ.
Hey just as a "teaser"...if Gobert were to average 20 fantasy points per game through the end of the year, where would he end up in the rankings? Let's round it off and call it an even 1,000 fantasy points over the remaining 53 games. NO NAMES please - just the approximate position.
I liked the Borchardt pick. The "conservative" Jazz FO DID swing for the fences. It was a last attempt to put together a championship caliber team for Stockton and Malone.
Just added up the totals for Benson: 666. I think you've identified the anti-Christ.
Hey just as a "teaser"...if Gobert were to average 20 fantasy points per game through the end of the year, where would he end up in the rankings? Let's round it off and call it an even 1,000 fantasy points over the remaining 53 games. NO NAMES please - just the approximate position.
Coach Ellis
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I really like this format.
framer
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Thanks for the update. Have to wait until after Christmas now...I get so greedy after a Jazz win.
I liked the Borchardt pick. The "conservative" Jazz FO DID swing for the fences. It was a last attempt to put together a championship caliber team for Stockton and Malone.
Just added up the totals for Benson: 666. I think you've identified the anti-Christ.
Hey just as a "teaser"...if Gobert were to average 20 fantasy points per game through the end of the year, where would he end up in the rankings? Let's round it off and call it an even 1,000 fantasy points over the remaining 53 games. NO NAMES please - just the approximate position.
I haven't calculated that far out yet, but I would estimate that he could move up as much as 8 or 9 more places, and probably break the top 10 by all-star break next year if he continues to improve and get minutes.