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the secret value of Trey Burke

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Dennis Lindsey is hired by the Utah Jazz and steps into an organization with a power vacuum. This vacuum is the accumulation of (a) the sudden retirement of Jerry Sloan, (b) the death of LHM and the rise of Greggy, (c) the trade of Deron Williams, and (d) the partial retirement of Kevin O'Connor. In the face of this vacuum, the powers that be show every sign of hesitance and conservativeness: sticking with interim Ty Corbin, sticking with botched-Al-Jefferson experiment, re-acquiring washed-up former jazzmen (Mo Williams), etc. And in steps Dennis Lindsey, who is asked to spend his first year observing.

In other words, Dennis isn't invited to seize the reins. He's asked to work with a coach he didn't hire -- who, as we can now see very clearly, plays a different style than Dennis desires. Operationally, Dennis is asked to be an assistant GM to an old-school GM with different connections and philosophies. And, I'm sure he has to learn how to placate to Greggy, a man who has been given everything and is probably worried about fumbling his assets during a challenging transition.

So, Dennis plays the long-game. He lets Kevin get further into retirement on his own terms. And, he lets Corbin make his own bed to lie in. When Corbin can't pass muster, who's left to grab the reins? Dennis.

It's on record that Trey is Corbin's pick. TREY'S FAILURE FURTHER CEMENTS DENNIS PLACE IN THE GAME OF THRONES. That's his secret value. Trey isn't Dennis' mulligan; he's the last sacrifice to the old order. Dennis is now king!!!!!!

THE END!!!!!!!!

EDIT FOR THE HATERS!!:
I'm not saying that DL knew Trey was a bust and was, therefore, throwing away a top-10 pick in a power grab. A senationalist would read my OP in that way. But I do think he was placating with that pick, which he could afford to do because there weren't any other selections that were screamingly obvious at that spot. So, he lets other interests take the 'win' or the 'loss' on that issue and moves his attention elsewhere (Gobert, Neto). It's obvious why he'd do it this way: he can't lose. If Trey is good, then he has a good asset; if he's bad, then he further cements his influence. How many times did he give Ty credit for Trey?!?!?!

I think this kind of story should resonate with anybody who has been a new guy within an organization... Specifically, a new guy who is supposed to have influence, but who is supposed to step into that influence slowly and purposefully, without 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' so to speak. My Game Of Thrones reference is playful, but not without value... Those dynamics happen!!!!

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I get the point of it, but they really shoud have stayed at #14 and #21 and trust their scouts. I don't think that DL did that. Would he have picked Antetokounmpo? Probably not. They were picking for need. I think that means that they end up with either Muhammad or Schroeder. Both would be upgrades over Burke. Draft for size or speed vs. intangibles or college success.

Imo, it was a rookie mistake. And a minor one at that. But you have to realize your mistake and move on. They have to bench Trey Burke. Right now, he hurts the team more than he helps.
 
I get the point of it, but they really shoud have stayed at #14 and #21 and trust their scouts. I don't think that DL did that. Would he have picked Antetokounmpo? Probably not. They were picking for need. I think that means that they end up with either Muhammad or Schroeder. Both would be upgrades over Burke. Draft for size or speed vs. intangibles or college success.

Imo, it was a rookie mistake. And a minor one at that. But you have to realize your mistake and move on. They have to bench Trey Burke. Right now, he hurts the team more than he helps.

does this mean you're advocating for starting Exum? Aren't you worried about that?
 
This makes one of Stifle's posts look realistic.

Thanks.
Outside of disagreeing about DL drafting Trey to put the final nail in the coffins of KOC and Corbin, it's all true.

Just go back and read the papers from the July 1-10th period. And before that, from when DL was signed. Lindsey came in as the heir apparent, but KOC was still fully in charge. Lindsey only received the GM title because a promotion is the only way they could rightfully steal him away from SA. There was a HUGE divide in the FO over what form the rebuild should take. KOC was always a proponent of "retooling" and he and the Millers were leaning towards keeping Millsap (and I assume that would have meant DMC and probably Foye). Big Al and Mo were never candidates to return.

Dennis "don't skip steps" Lindsey wanted a rebuild. Actually, let me backtrack. Read what he said prior to free agency: he said the Jazz would be value shoppers. I'm not sure DL was fully in the "tear this **** down" phase until the GS deal presented itself. And then Greg ultimately had to side with either DL or KOC. And we know which side won the battle. Then we hear KOC has retired, but not really. He still has his title but will now work out of his home in South Carolina, scouting and providing other assistance to Lindsey.

I will admit to franklin/boobs Ty was set up to fail. Although I think had he approached the season as Quin has done, he may have been able to save his job. But Ty is not that type of coach - and DL knew that. Lindsey is responsible for the Burke pick, not Ty. But honestly, it was going to be Trey or MCW. And MCW isn't exactly an upgrade. He's as poor a shooter with even less range.
 
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Thanks.
Outside of disagreeing about DL drafting Trey to put the final nail in the coffins of KOC and Corbin, it's all true.

Just go back and read the papers from the July 1-10th period. And before that, from when DL was signed. Lindsey came in as the heir apparent, but KOC was still fully in charge. Lindsey only received the GM title because a promotion is the only way they could rightfully steal him away from SA. There was a HUGE divide in the FO over what form the rebuild should take. KOC was always a proponent of "retooling" and he and the Millers were leaning towards keeping Millsap (and I assume that would have meant DMC and probably Foye. Big Al and Mo were never candidates to return).

Dennis "don't skip steps" Lindsey wanted a rebuild. Actually, let me backtrack. Read what he said prior to free agency: he said the Jazz would be value shoppers. I'm not sure DL was fully in the "tear this **** down" phase until the GS deal presented itself. And then the FO divide, with Greg ultimately siding with DL. And after that, reports that KOC had retired, with the later rebuttal by the Jazz FO that he was remaining on as a "consultant." DL clearly won the fight and KOC lost power.

I will admit to franklin/boobs Ty was set up to fail. Although I think had he approached the season as Quin has done, he may have been able to save his job. But Ty is not that type of coach - and DL knew that. Lindsey is responsible for the Burke pick, not Ty. But honestly, it was going to be Trey or MCW. And MCW isn't exactly an upgrade. He's as poor a shooter with even less range.

It could have been Giannis the Greek or Schroderer. I am sure I misspelled both of their names.
 
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