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Posible solution at sg

chawx said:
I have a possible solution at SG...stop me if you've heard this before...but why not some guy named Deron Williams?

Earl seems competent at running the offense, why not give him starter minutes (30ish) and have D-Will be your primary SG when Earl's on the court, and your primary PG when Earl's off the court. D-Will's assists maybe drop to 8.5 or 8.0 ish, but his scoring goes into Durant territory!

Earl also forces up-tempo, while Deron feels like he has to wait for everyone to catch up to him (lack of trust probably).

Also, if teams start picking up on this tactic and putting more guys on D-Will to stop him from coming off curls, etc. You KNOW D-Will can pass, so, then you tell him when he sees extra pressure to revert to his PG skillz and rack up 15 assists a game!

I know you guys have seen when D-Will is basically the SG in the offense and how that almost immediately leads to us coming back on teams or scoring on them at will...why is this not already being done or atleast tried for a game or two??

I would have the starting lineup looking like this:
PG- Earl
SG- Deron
SF- AK (because he's a headcase and would cry if he got benched)
PF- Millsap
C- Memo

6th man- Jefferson for Memo or Millsap (whoever is coldest)
7th- CJ/Bell (spark on O or spark on D)
8th- (depends on foul trouble / hot vs. cold / whatever the team needs, I'll leave this part up to the coaches.)

Whatta' think? yay? nay?
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Nay. To short to defend taller wings and do you really think DWill would be to happy with this?
 
Deron has already stated very clearly that he hates playing the 2. That aside, I wouldn't worry too much about his defense. When he puts his heart into it he does better than average.
 
Ronnie Price or Fes for a conditional 2nd Round pick or cash. This is the only way the Jazz will get better.*


* Just preparing myself for the inevitable.
 
NCJazz said:
Nay. To short to defend taller wings and do you really think DWill would be to happy with this?
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Well, Bell is only 2 inches taller and hasn't really been a "shut down defender" on opposing 2-guards. CJ isn't that great one-on-one against other 2's, neither is Hayward. Ronnie has played the 2 a lot when our "mighty mights" get out on the court and spark this team and they seem to do fine against other 2's on D.... I just don't see how our D would be any worse if Deron had to guard a taller 2-guard, we know Deron can man up on Kobe on D because he's been asked to do it before and if I recall, he did alright.

I know it's a lot to not think of D-Will as the PG, but I'm just throwing out ideas to spark the offense mainly and get off to better starts. there's nothing saying that if it's not working, you can't make adjustments and revert back to a D-Will, Bell, AK, Millsap, Jefferson lineup mid-game....
 
I was initially pleased with the Jazz signed Bell. When he's on, he can be a big contributor to this team. Problem is, he's off as much if not more than he's on. I've become very disillusioned with Bell and come to the conclusion it's time to replace in starting lineup. My feeling is that Bell is not a long-term solution, and we are not going far this year in the playoffs. The Jazz took Hayward with a lottery pick. He's played well at times, and at least shown flashes that he can be a solid player. Why not give him a shot. If we want to keep D-Will, we will have to convince him that there's a good core around him. Bell is NOT part of that core, Hayward might be. I'm on the fence about Hayward, but we need to know, and need to know reasonably soon, I think, whether Hayward has potential to form a long-term core of this team. I mean, I'm pretty sure Hayward if give minutes and integrated into the offense can get at least the 4-9 points Bell seems to get regularly. We probably lose some on defense, but Hayward can create better than Bell, can rebound better than Bell, and looks to be a pretty decent passer. Frankly, moreover, defense is not our problem now. Consistent offensive flow and rebounds are our problems. Can Hayward really be THAT much worse or inconsistent the Bell at this point?
 
chawx said:
I have a possible solution at SG...stop me if you've heard this before...but why not some guy named Deron Williams?

Earl seems competent at running the offense, why not give him starter minutes (30ish) and have D-Will be your primary SG when Earl's on the court, and your primary PG when Earl's off the court. D-Will's assists maybe drop to 8.5 or 8.0 ish, but his scoring goes into Durant territory!

Earl also forces up-tempo, while Deron feels like he has to wait for everyone to catch up to him (lack of trust probably).

Also, if teams start picking up on this tactic and putting more guys on D-Will to stop him from coming off curls, etc. You KNOW D-Will can pass, so, then you tell him when he sees extra pressure to revert to his PG skillz and rack up 15 assists a game!

I know you guys have seen when D-Will is basically the SG in the offense and how that almost immediately leads to us coming back on teams or scoring on them at will...why is this not already being done or atleast tried for a game or two??

I would have the starting lineup looking like this:
PG- Earl
SG- Deron
SF- AK (because he's a headcase and would cry if he got benched)
PF- Millsap
C- Memo

6th man- Jefferson for Memo or Millsap (whoever is coldest)
7th- CJ/Bell (spark on O or spark on D)
8th- (depends on foul trouble / hot vs. cold / whatever the team needs, I'll leave this part up to the coaches.)

Whatta' think? yay? nay?
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That's retarded that wouldn't fly with Deron he would pull a Carmello for sure! We want to do everything we can to keep him not lose him!!!! Think next time
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I was initially pleased with the Jazz signed Bell. When he's on, he can be a big contributor to this team. Problem is, he's off as much if not more than he's on. I've become very disillusioned with Bell and come to the conclusion it's time to replace in starting lineup. My feeling is that Bell is not a long-term solution, and we are not going far this year in the playoffs. The Jazz took Hayward with a lottery pick. He's played well at times, and at least shown flashes that he can be a solid player. Why not give him a shot. If we want to keep D-Will, we will have to convince him that there's a good core around him. Bell is NOT part of that core, Hayward might be. I'm on the fence about Hayward, but we need to know, and need to know reasonably soon, I think, whether Hayward has potential to form a long-term core of this team. I mean, I'm pretty sure Hayward if give minutes and integrated into the offense can get at least the 4-9 points Bell seems to get regularly. We probably lose some on defense, but Hayward can create better than Bell, can rebound better than Bell, and looks to be a pretty decent passer. Frankly, moreover, defense is not our problem now. Consistent offensive flow and rebounds are our problems. Can Hayward really be THAT much worse or inconsistent the Bell at this point?
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I was a little annoyed that we signed him becaues I wanted the jazz to get Brown. The next day I found out we were stuck with him for three years, and lost all feelings to my extremities. The same mistake the jazz made reuping Memo for two more years wow!!
 
I've had the same idea myself. DWill has said in the past he didn't like playing SG, but I've heard him say with a grin it's different this year. I'm sure if he sees the TEAM is playing better with him at SG he's happy to do it. Also, when did we ever have a 2nd PG who could actually run the Jazz offense? Earl Watson has changed all that big-time!
Raja's best days seem to be behind him; still plays very well in spurts, but he's never been a dominant player anyway. I would like to see more of Hayward too. His defense and rebounding have been way better than I expected, and his offense will come around with more PT, IMO.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
That's retarded that wouldn't fly with Deron he would pull a Carmello for sure! We want to do everything we can to keep him not lose him!!!! Think next time
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chawx said:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/50881607-62/williams-shooting-guard-jazz.html.csp

In this interview, he says he likes playing the 2 (he likes it "a lot")...do you have a link where he says he hates it?
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Move your mouse pointer to this link, click it, and read the words that come up on your screen, morans... D-Will likes playing the 2...he didn't like it when Ronnie or Sundiata were running the point, but he seems to not mind it so much now because Earl has been great this year! Think about it brah, the Jazz play the best when D-Will can roam around, get open, and either knock down jumpers or pass to the open man down low.
 
chawx said:
Move your mouse pointer to this link, click it, and read the words that come up on your screen, morans... D-Will likes playing the 2...he didn't like it when Ronnie or Sundiata were running the point, but he seems to not mind it so much now because Earl has been great this year! Think about it brah, the Jazz play the best when D-Will can roam around, get open, and either knock down jumpers or pass to the open man down low.
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Yes he doesn't mind the switch from time to time, but I don't think he wants to do it full time. Pg is what defines who D-Will is. The article states he doesn't mind the move to sg from time to time, but he wants to be known as a pg not a sg. The article never states that he wants to start at sg. Playing D-Will 30 minutes at sg and 8 minutes at the point will not sit well with D-Will brah!
 
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