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I will quit!!!

QuinSnydersHair said:
This is the same genius who basically came up with the abomination that is Obamacare. I'll pass. Surely out of 345 million people we can find someone better. One person who's better. The best.
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I am certain there is someone better, but who is it?

And Romney did not discover Obamacare. Do you know much on the subject? Not calling you out, just curious.
 
dalamon said:
As bad as it is, it's better than what it replaced.


Still, y'all need to nuke healthcare and start from ground up. Take the Japan route. Or Germany route. Hell, even Canada-- anything other than what y'all currently got


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agree with this .. except I don't know that what we have now is better than what it was before.. i.e. no one was denied medical care before. Now it's just more expensive (overall) and managed.. differently.
 
PKM said:
I am certain there is someone better, but who is it?

And Romney did not discover Obamacare. Do you know much on the subject? Not calling you out, just curious.
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Discover? Not sure that's the best choice of words but basically he helped come up with the framework for it, yes, yes he did. In Massachusetts where it was an epic fail and he later admitted it.
 
dalamon said:
See-- with Obama, I feel that he DOES care about, and empathize with the disadvantaged. So the lack of resume didn't matter, if my perception of him is correct.


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Oh my hell this is awful. I know you are super smart and somewhat mainstream, so I fear our future for a next generation that is so liberal that this (above) is the general thought. Cannot fathom that anyone would place caring for the poor above acumen for overall global issues and how they interrelate. I know that's a bit of hyperbole/reach based on what you said.. but it's a real problem with our youth. There is this HUGE liberal movement about taking care of the less fortunate at the expense of the overall picture.

What good is it that the surgery was a success but the patient dies?

And, contrary to popular belief, I care a great deal about everyone.. but I also have this concern about making sure we also have the ability to help, long term.. sustainability.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Discover? Not sure that's the best choice of words but basically he helped come up with the framework for it, yes, yes he did. In Massachusetts where it was an epic fail and he later admitted it.
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Okay, fine, because I lose interest right around here. You might find it a fun task to educate yourself on it all a bit better, though.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Already am. I think you just can't see the bad in people.
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me? lulz..

wanna talk Obama?
or
GW?
or
Carter?
or

even though Clinton was a damn good President.. we can go there too.

Actually, I shoulda known better than to jump into politics here.. wears me out. I can see why our nation's best potential candidates say **** it.
 
PKM said:
Oh my hell this is awful. I know you are super smart and somewhat mainstream, so I fear our future for a next generation that is so liberal that this (above) is the general thought. Cannot fathom that anyone would place caring for the poor above acumen for overall global issues and how they interrelate. I know that's a bit of hyperbole/reach based on what you said.. but it's a real problem with our youth. There is this HUGE liberal movement about taking care of the less fortunate at the expense of the overall picture.
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It's more of me pointing out the flaws in a system that perpetuates one of the largest social. political, and economical inequalities of any developed nation on earth. A nation that likes to distance itself from the fact that the family you're born into, the community you're born into, and the racial group you're born into all have lifelong ramifications.

It's not about caring for the less needy while ignoring the big picture. It's about questioning the big picture-- questioning our priorities. If our priorities equate to a society rife with inequality, does that mean that our priorities need to shift?

What good is it that the surgery was a success but the patient dies?
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In and of itself-- nothing. But the provision of a service with the capacity to save lives is a societal necessity.

And, contrary to popular belief, I care a great deal about everyone.. but I also have this concern about making sure we also have the ability to help, long term.. sustainability.
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I totally get it. For example: cruelly-progressive tax might benefit the poor-- but is it sustainable? Particularly in the long-term? Probably not. But what's currently existing isn't really working either. So we need to be creative, pragmatic, and figure something out.


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dalamon said:
It's more of me pointing out the flaws in a system that perpetuates one of the largest social. political, and economical inequalities of any developed nation on earth. A nation that likes to distance itself from the fact that the family you're born into, the community you're born into, and the racial group you're born into all have lifelong ramifications.

It's not about caring for the less needy while ignoring the big picture. It's about questioning the big picture-- questioning our priorities. If our priorities equate to a society rife with inequality, does that mean that our priorities need to shift?



In and of itself-- nothing. But the provision of a service with the capacity to save lives is a societal necessity.



I totally get it. For example: cruelly-progressive tax might benefit the poor-- but is it sustainable? Particularly in the long-term? Probably not. But what's currently existing isn't really working either. So we need to be creative, pragmatic, and figure something out.


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Good post. Agree with most of it. Although we take care of all classes far more than 90% of countries on the planet.. not that I am defending our governance.
 
Taking care of the less fortunate is a nice notion but we take care of those who don't care to remotely take care of themselves far more often. That teaches nothing and helps nobody in the long-run.
 
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