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I will quit!!!

dalamon said:
y tho
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Because he is a raw out and out pure business dude. Smart. Less politician and more business acumen. I tire of having Presidents that know nothing more than politics. It's been going on too long. Would be refreshing to have more.
 
People can bitch and say it doesn't matter it's all the same, but that's ********
It's what the numb nuts politicians want u to believe.

There are some AWESOME stories about Mitt the business person and the family man... Some that no recent Prez could match. Try to find the same type stories of Obama or GW.. THEY DO NOT exist.
 
PKM said:
People can bitch and say it doesn't matter it's all the same, but that's ********
It's what the numb nuts politicians want u to believe.

There are some AWESOME stories about Mitt the business person and the family man... Some that no recent Prez could match. Try to find the same type stories of Obama or GW.. THEY DO NOT exist.
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I like mitt Romney. I really do, but the one thing I didn't like is that he tried to pander to the right wing "conservative base" which didn't get him elected. I feel that he has a lot to give if his own accord, and did not need to change what he is to get elected. I don't think the mormon issue is really an issue though. Seems like most of America can get past him being mormon, or see it as a moral backbone. I would definitely vote for Romney this time around. Probably because I am a dad now, and my priorities have changed a bit.


I'm pretty liberal, but I would be sick to my stomach if Hillary got elected.
 
b_line said:
I like mitt Romney. I really do, but the one thing I didn't like is that he tried to pander to the right wing "conservative base" which didn't get him elected. I feel that he has a lot to give if his own accord, and did not need to change what he is to get elected. I don't think the mormon issue is really an issue though. Seems like most of America can get past him being mormon, or see it as a moral backbone. I would definitely vote for Romney this time around. Probably because I am a dad now, and my priorities have changed a bit.


I'm pretty liberal, but I would be sick to my stomach if Hillary got elected.
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I hated that about him too. I feel like he caved and his message got prostituted. I don't think he would make that mistake again. I may be wrong.
I too agree voters care little about the Mormon thing..
I wish we could all find a way to get past the stereotypes of party divides.. So much of it is utter b.s.

I would slam down a vote for the right politician regardless of some stupid party alignment.. And I think most would too.

I just want a leader that can lead, is strong, and has fantastic aptitude for economics.
 
Basing this purely off of vibes I feel when I watch Romney talk-- but I feel like Mitt don't give a single **** about the poor, or society's disadvantaged. He's never passed the eye-test for me.
 
PKM said:
I just want a leader that can lead, is strong, and has fantastic aptitude for economics.
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I'd want a leader that can lead, is strong, and has a fantastic aptitude for the contemporary world's climate-- whether we're talking economics, environment, education, health-care, poverty, immigration, multiculturalism.

Romney doesn't strike me as this man.
 
dalamon said:
Basing this purely off of vibes I feel when I watch Romney talk-- but I feel like Mitt don't give a single **** about the poor, or society's disadvantaged. He's never passed the eye-test for me.
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That's cool. I actually did a great deal of study on the man. (I was asked to be a big part of his campaign - I declined, at the time, because I didn't know enough.) Later, he checked out, for me. If anything, he doesn't play the political game well enough .. too busy getting actual **** done. I won't debate any further on the topic, with anyone, because I hate the lack of rules of engagement when debating the worthiness of a politician. No offense, to you, personally.

dalamon said:
I'd want a leader that can lead, is strong, and has a fantastic aptitude for the contemporary world's climate-- whether we're talking economics, environment, education, health-care, poverty, immigration, multiculturalism.

Romney doesn't strike me as this man.
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I think you're wrong about the guy.

As far as your correction/opinion of a better way of saying economics.. it's kind of duh. All of those things play into the broad term and I think most would know it was all implied.
 
PKM said:
That's cool. I actually did a great deal of study on the man. (I was asked to be a big part of his campaign - I declined, at the time, because I didn't know enough.) Later, he checked out, for me. If anything, he doesn't play the political game well enough .. too busy getting actual **** done. I won't debate any further on the topic, with anyone, because I hate the lack of rules of engagement when debating the worthiness of a politician. No offense, to you, personally.
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It's the sort of thing that's really hard to know. Resumes can be built to make one seem squeaky clean-- but it doesn't necessarily justify someone as one who regularly empathizes & cares about the poor.



I think you're wrong about the guy.
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High likelihood. Again, I'm admittedly going off nothing here.


As far as your correction/opinion of a better way of saying economics.. it's kind of duh. All of those things play into the broad term and I think most would know it was all implied.
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I wouldn't say so, actually. Like they do, but saying one is knowledged in economics doesn't mean they have an aptitude of the aforementioned issues.


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dalamon said:
It's the sort of thing that's really hard to know. Resumes can be built to make one seem squeaky clean-- but it doesn't necessarily justify someone as one who regularly empathizes & cares about the poor.





High likelihood. Again, I'm admittedly going off nothing here.




I wouldn't say so, actually. Like they do, but saying one is knowledged in economics doesn't mean they have an aptitude of the aforementioned issues.


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Fair enough. Though mine was implied.

As for this part...
It's the sort of thing that's really hard to know. Resumes can be built to make one seem squeaky clean-- but it doesn't necessarily justify someone as one who regularly empathizes & cares about the poor.
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True, but we seem to become enamored with candidates with no real resume at all (not just talking about Obama).
 
PKM said:
Because he is a raw out and out pure business dude. Smart. Less politician and more business acumen. I tire of having Presidents that know nothing more than politics. It's been going on too long. Would be refreshing to have more.
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This is the same genius who basically came up with the abomination that is Obamacare. I'll pass. Surely out of 345 million people we can find someone better. One person who's better. The best.
 
PKM said:
True, but we seem to become enamored with candidates with no real resume at all (not just talking about Obama).
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See-- with Obama, I feel that he DOES care about, and empathize with the disadvantaged. So the lack of resume didn't matter, if my perception of him is correct.


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QuinSnydersHair said:
This is the same genius who basically came up with the abomination that is Obamacare. I'll pass. Surely out of 345 million people we can find someone better. One person who's better. The best.
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As bad as it is, it's better than what it replaced.


Still, y'all need to nuke healthcare and start from ground up. Take the Japan route. Or Germany route. Hell, even Canada-- anything other than what y'all currently got


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QuinSnydersHair said:
This is the same genius who basically came up with the abomination that is Obamacare. I'll pass. Surely out of 345 million people we can find someone better. One person who's better. The best.
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I am certain there is someone better, but who is it?

And Romney did not discover Obamacare. Do you know much on the subject? Not calling you out, just curious.
 
dalamon said:
As bad as it is, it's better than what it replaced.


Still, y'all need to nuke healthcare and start from ground up. Take the Japan route. Or Germany route. Hell, even Canada-- anything other than what y'all currently got


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agree with this .. except I don't know that what we have now is better than what it was before.. i.e. no one was denied medical care before. Now it's just more expensive (overall) and managed.. differently.
 
PKM said:
I am certain there is someone better, but who is it?

And Romney did not discover Obamacare. Do you know much on the subject? Not calling you out, just curious.
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Discover? Not sure that's the best choice of words but basically he helped come up with the framework for it, yes, yes he did. In Massachusetts where it was an epic fail and he later admitted it.
 
dalamon said:
See-- with Obama, I feel that he DOES care about, and empathize with the disadvantaged. So the lack of resume didn't matter, if my perception of him is correct.


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Oh my hell this is awful. I know you are super smart and somewhat mainstream, so I fear our future for a next generation that is so liberal that this (above) is the general thought. Cannot fathom that anyone would place caring for the poor above acumen for overall global issues and how they interrelate. I know that's a bit of hyperbole/reach based on what you said.. but it's a real problem with our youth. There is this HUGE liberal movement about taking care of the less fortunate at the expense of the overall picture.

What good is it that the surgery was a success but the patient dies?

And, contrary to popular belief, I care a great deal about everyone.. but I also have this concern about making sure we also have the ability to help, long term.. sustainability.
 
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