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Open season on Law enforcement?

moevillini said:
Stop the name-calling please. It does nothing constructive to move the discussion forward. All it does is put you on the same level as those you choose to denigrate.
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Whao whao whao I am nothing like HH.

Have fun with the personal attacks HH. Water off a duck bro.
 
moevillini said:
Stop the name-calling please. It does nothing constructive to move the discussion forward. All it does is put you on the same level as those you choose to denigrate.
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Nothing constructive? The thread was started with blatant racism, and down-right hate speak. Not sure why it's even allowed. I'm personally offended by him calling Michael Brown the name he did and saying **** the black lives matter movement. How can you expect an actual discussion to form from such filth? And, I'm perfectly fine with everything I've said to DutchJazzer. I've called no one else names in this thread.

Since I've moved from Utah, a bunch of new friends from here always make fun of how backwards and racist Utah is. The amount of racist trash that gets posted on this site, and remains on it without the mods flinching is making me see what they're talking about. I'm not calling out the mods or backseat moderating. Just responding reasonably to your charge that I'm putting myself on DutchJazzer's level. I've posted no hate-speech or racially charged, baseless statements.
 
moevillini said:
It's the Second Amendment, really. The NRA wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on without the second amendment.
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Completely disagree! Completely!

Most countries have some sort of "to bear arms" right. Ours even talks about the arms being regulated. But we are the only country in the world that has the NRA, a million dollar lobbyist that purposely targets politicians for daring to suggest that people have background checks or that arms be regulated. A violation of the very second amendment you mentioned.

Listen, I'm not against the second amendment. But let's have some common sense here. We need mandatory background checks on every gun sold. There needs to be greater regulation. Why not limit the amount of ammo? Why not extend the waiting period?

It's just common sense.
 
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At any rate, Thriller and HH, (but mainly Thriller since you mentioned it) if you can find a link to other counties' guaranteeing the right of their citizens to possess guns without any specific limitations, please post it.

To my knowledge, the U.S. is the only county where it is guaranteed by our Constitution. And where the Supreme Court has issued rulings knocking down restrictions that have been passed by national, state and local jurisdictions.

But on the other hand, I've never really researched the issue, perhaps we're not as unique in this aspect as I think we are. Like I said, links would be helpful.


EDIT: In answer to my own question, I found this link https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/12/have_gun_want_to_travel.html

Do any foreign states guarantee the right to keep and bear arms like we do in the United States?

Yes. Mexico, Haiti, and Guatemala all enshrine the right to pack heat in their constitutions. Guatemala's Article 38 is the only one that's as broad as our Second Amendment (it guarantees "the right of possession of arms for personal use"). Article 10 of the Mexican constitution and Article 268-1 of Haiti's constitution limit the right to the confines of the home and allow the government to pass laws significantly restricting ownership. Mexicans, for example, are supposed to get a permit, renewable every year, from the military, and all firearms must be registered. (The law is widely ignored. Only 4,300 licenses have been issued for Mexico's 105 million people.) Handguns must be .380 caliber or less, shotguns can't be greater than 12 gauge, and rifles must be .30 caliber or smaller...
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an interesting article here: (actually, I think it's a book review)
www.spectator.co.uk/books/9505462/americans-and-their-gun-culture-attached-at-the-hip/
 
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moevillini said:
At any rate, Thriller and HH, (but mainly Thriller since you mentioned it) if you can find a link to other counties' guaranteeing the right of their citizens to possess guns without any specific limitations, please post it.

To my knowledge, the U.S. is the only county where it is guaranteed by our Constitution. And where the Supreme Court has issued rulings knocking down restrictions that have been passed by national, state and local jurisdictions.

But on the other hand, I've never really researched the issue, perhaps we're not as unique in this aspect as I think we are. Like I said, links would be helpful.


EDIT: In answer to my own question, I found this link https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/12/have_gun_want_to_travel.html



an interesting article here: (actually, I think it's a book review)
www.spectator.co.uk/books/9505462/americans-and-their-gun-culture-attached-at-the-hip/
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buit mexuico has overwritten their constitution and its pretty hard to get a gun
 
I wonder if stories like this have anything to do with the current mood of the populace regarding LEO's.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/...r-fabricating-shooting-incident/?intcmp=hpbt2

Millis Police Sergeant William Dwyer told reporters at a press conference that ballistics testing determined the only bullets found at the scene belonged to the officer.

“I’m very upset and don’t know how to feel right now,” Dwyer told reporters.
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Well, isn't that rich.

Karl Denninger's take on it:

You're upset?

One of your sworn officers fabricated a story that led to a manhunt for someone who didn't exist?

You created a lockdown in an entire town and their schools, you violated the constitutional rights of the residents of the entire area by searching for a phantom that never existed, city property was wantonly and recklessly destroyed by your so-called "officer" (which must now be paid for by the taxpayers of said town), said officer almost-certainly committed multiple crimes by shooting on, around or over a road (since he shot his own car) and all you have is that you're "upset"? (For the uneducated it is typically a crime, and often a felony, to shoot on, over, or intersecting a road except as an act of lawful self-defense. It certainly is a crime in most cases here in Florida (Sec 790.15))

Let me guess - after that you'll be surprised and unhappy if I come upon one of your officers who is on fire, I happen to have a glass of water, and I decide to drink it rather than use it to put said fire out?

That goes double for DeKalb County in Georgia, where officers fired on and shot an unarmed man after entering the wrong house for no reason other than the fact that the door was unlocked (they had received a report of a burglary but ignored the described location of the residence at which it was allegedly occurring and not only shot him, they killed his dog and shot one of their own officers as well.)

And while we're at it, let's add to the list cops in Texas who shot a man who had his hands up and was clearly surrendering, and then claimed he had a weapon in-hand and was attacking them. Their lie was discovered when not one but two videos surfaced, which the cops were unaware of at the time. Of course the officers involved are on "paid leave" at the present time.

But yes, it's just a very few incidents, you see.... never mind that any ordinary citizen who pulled any of this crap would be instantly arrested, transported to jail, and held until they were arraigned and made bond -- and in the case in Texas, said bond would likely be denied given that the person shot is dead.
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