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Police shoots another unarmed black man for no reason.

fgcamel said:
I probably know a lot less about the civil rights movement than most of you. But it seems to me, that protests in the past were successful because they actually helped lead to legislative change, for example march on washington -> civil rights act, selma movement -> Voting Rights Act.

So do you guys think it's possible these protests can lead to anything like that? (and what would that be?) and if not, do you think anything positive can still be gained?

I definitely think the movement is lacking clear leadership.
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Can something positive still be gained? Absolutely.

Will "these" protests lead to that positive change? Well let's look at these protests.

Tulsa, OK - marches, prayer vigils, demonstrations but no signs of assault, looting, arson, rioting...

Charlotte, NC - starts out with demonstrations and marches but gets twisted by people looking for free stuff. These people play off the legit anger felt by the protestors. Leads to arson, rioting, assaults... this damages this issue. leads to hard divisions, rejections of their movement.

Not all the protests are created equal just as all these police caused deaths are not equal. I hope to see more Tulsa and less Charlotte. And when people are ready I hope to see it expand beyond mostly minorities and youth. Beyond group prayers and local demonstrations. Ina way that brings people together.
 
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Stoked said:
Can something positive still be gained? Absolutely.

Will "these" protests lead to that positive change? Well let's look at these protests.

Tulsa, OK - marches, prayer vigils, demonstrations but no signs of assault, looting, arson, rioting...

Charlotte, OK - starts out with demonstrations and marches but gets twisted by people looking for free stuff. These people play off the legit anger felt by the protestors. Leads to arson, rioting, assaults... this damages this issue. leads to hard divisions, rejections of their movement.

Not all the protests are created equal just as all these police caused deaths are not equal. I hope to see more Tulsa and less Charlotte. And when people are ready I hope to see it expand beyond mostly minorities and youth. Beyond group prayers and local demonstrations. Ina way that brings people together.
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I think you were the one who initially mentioned this guy:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...e-departmentand-all-hell-broke-loose-n2222198
I hadn't seen him before your comment sent me on a search. I believe that his methods are a lot more likely to lead to the change we need than the actions of the rioters. I also think that the biggest thing that the rioters need is good jobs. The reasons someone would behave the way they are go far beyond their grievance with the police (which I think is more of a symptom than a cause). They need a legit shot at middle class success. It's going to be a long process to get them where they need to be. Currently things are moving in the opposite direction that they need to be.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I think you were the one who initially mentioned this guy:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...e-departmentand-all-hell-broke-loose-n2222198
I hadn't seen him before your comment sent me on a search. I believe that his methods are a lot more likely to lead to the change we need than the actions of the rioters. I also think that the biggest thing that the rioters need is good jobs. The reasons someone would behave the way they are go far beyond their grievance with the police (which I think is more of a symptom than a cause). They need a legit shot at middle class success. It's going to be a long process to get them where they need to be. Currently things are moving in the opposite direction that they need to be.
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I agree that they do, but it goes far beyond jobs. I think we have failed as a society in that respect.
 
Using the violent minority to totally discredit the movement is just as disgusting as the acts that are being criticized. If people spent half the time educating themselves and speaking out against the obvious problem our country is facing, instead of looking to poke holes in their argument, we'd be better off.


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BabyPeterzz said:
Using the violent minority to totally discredit the movement is just as disgusting as the acts that are being criticized. If people spent half the time educating themselves and speaking out against the obvious problem our country is facing, instead of looking to poke holes in their argument, we'd be better off.


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I am not discrediting the protestors (If I came off that way my apologies), I made sure to separate the protestors and rioters into two groups in my sentence. But I see no point in denying that damage is being done to their cause. Fair or not, it is happening. You can see that in the articles and social media responses. Unfortunately media and society are more interested in the carnage than the problem. A looted store gains more publicity than a prayer vigil. I do not think that it is "just as disgusting" as looting and assault however. Even if it is wrong.

I agree that people should spend much more time educating themselves about the subject. That the focus should be more on the problem.
 
The only thing that solves this problem is giving the cops a weapon that subdues but doesnt kill. But it has to subdue immediately. Like a very quick and powerful tranquilizer. Im surpirsed this hasnt been thought of already. I would think we are at a point with technology that we could make something.
 
Computer said:
The only thing that solves this problem is giving the cops a weapon that subdues but doesnt kill. But it has to subdue immediately. Like a very quick and powerful tranquilizer. Im surpirsed this hasnt been thought of already. I would think we are at a point with technology that we could make something.
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People would have a field day with that.
 
Siro said:
No such technology is possible (currently) anyway. How would you design something that will incapacitate every person immediately, but won't kill anyone?
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There are a lot of smart people in the world and technology seems like its limitless, and we can eventually make what we want. Im confident that a solution could be invented. Probabaly real soon if we wanted too.

Would someone die sometimes. Probabaly. But at least no one can argue intent.

This is the only answer because you will never be able to ask a cop to try and do his or her job without force. Just isnt realistic. There will always be the defiant, and there will always be a need for the rule of law. Those forces will clash.
 
Siro said:
No such technology is possible (currently) anyway. How would you design something that will incapacitate every person immediately, but won't kill anyone?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmhxxDRIkU
 
Computer said:
There are a lot of smart people in the world and technology seems like its limitless, and we can eventually make what we want. Im confident that a solution could be invented. Probabaly real soon if we wanted too.

Would someone die sometimes. Probabaly. But at least no one can argue intent.

This is the only answer because you will never be able to ask a cop to try and do his or her job without force. Just isnt realistic. There will always be the defiant, and there will always be a need for the rule of law. Those forces will clash.
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Computer, please download a spellchecker.
 
In the Charlotte shooting, the victim's wife released the cell phone video that she took at the time of the encounter. I won't post a link, it has profanity in the video. However, the three photos at this link are very interesting. The first photo is a still shot from her video. It shows her husband on the ground, and officers around him. It shows the area on the ground where, in another still shot, what looks like a gun is visible. Yet, that gun is not visible in her shot of her husband after he has been shot. The same area of the ground, near her husband's feet, seems to be visible in both photos. So, why is there no gun visible in her photo? Did the police plant that gun??

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103737896.html

Edit: I just noticed they added the cell phone video after I posted the above link. If this is a problem, because the wife of the victim unleashes a few F bombs late in the sequence, then delete the link by all means. I'd appreciate not being slapped with another infraction. I purposely looked for a link describing this development that did not include the actual cell phone video.
 
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Red said:
In the Charlotte shooting, the victim's wife released the cell phone video that she took at the time of the encounter. I won't post a link, it has profanity in the video. However, the three photos at this link are very interesting. The first photo is a still shot from her video. It shows her husband on the ground, and officers around him. It shows the area on the ground where, in another still shot, what looks like a gun is visible. Yet, that gun is not visible in her shot of her husband after he has been shot. The same area of the ground, near her husband's feet, seems to be visible in both photos. So, why is there no gun visible in her photo? Did the police plant that gun??

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103737896.html
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Is it possible the police retrieved the gun from the guy, then threw it on the ground becasue it was evidence? I honestly dont know what the procedure is. But just packing it away into your cop car immediately doesnt sound like the official procedure. I've seen videos where cops leave the gun on the ground or put it on the hood of their car while doing the report and investigation.
 
Computer said:
Is it possible the police retrieved the gun from the guy, then threw it on the ground becasue it was evidence? I honestly dont know what the procedure is. But just packing it away into your cop car immediately doesnt sound like the official procedure. I've seen videos where cops leave the gun on the ground or put it on the hood of their car while doing the report and investigation.
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Depends on the circumstance. If the scene isn't secure you want to secure the evidence immediately. Still photos can be re-sequenced or shown out of context in relation to what they are trying to prove. Moving it to the hood of a car doesn't make sense to me. If you're going to move it to secure it, then secure it.
 
Computer said:
Is it possible the police retrieved the gun from the guy, then threw it on the ground becasue it was evidence? I honestly dont know what the procedure is. But just packing it away into your cop car immediately doesnt sound like the official procedure. I've seen videos where cops leave the gun on the ground or put it on the hood of their car while doing the report and investigation.
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I had the same thought, when searching for innocent reasons. I thought they bagged evidence, there are fingerprints and DNA involved, and in fact the police claim both fingerprints and DNA were found on the gun. I guess they could have just put it to one side like that. I just assumed they'd be less "casual" with evidence like that.
 
Red said:
I had the same thought, when searching for innocent reasons. I thought they bagged evidence, there are fingerprints and DNA involved, and in fact the police claim both fingerprints and DNA were found on the gun. I guess they could have just put it to one side like that. I just assumed they'd be less "casual" with evidence like that.
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Another possibility would be that they did the "kick it out of arms reach" as they approached, then secured it
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Are they undressing him in that second photo?
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According to the article: "In the photograph, some of Scott’s clothing appeared to have been removed. It is not known whether that was a result of life-saving efforts or an effort to search him for weapons.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney told The Charlotte Observer in an interview that the department, which monitors social media, got the photograph after the shooting and it appeared to be a genuine, undoctored image"
 
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