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The All-Time Utah Jazz Tease Team

Koufos looked very, very good for a good stretch of his rookie season, and then he was inexplicably benched for ****ing Jarron Collins and he was never the same again.

The shooting that was hyped up coming into the league never materialized, but I was mesmerized by that supposed potential after seeing him log five blocks in like his 10th game ever. Such a theoretical player was exactly what that team needed.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That last part is true. Also one of the dumbest possible ways of looking at the whole thing. He has actually benefitted from his injuries. It’s almost impressive.
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I agree... the injuries have given him (and the front office) an excuse... he's always working his way back or hasn't had the reps. His first injury was ill timed with where the team was headed and was at a critical stage in his career. I think I've seen enough in stints to say he isn't anything more than a unique (in good and bad ways) backup guard.

If he's healthy this year I think he will provide us with an adequate backup pg/wing... not worth 10M a year but that is kind of his ceiling to me. #hope
 
NUMBERICA said:
Koufos looked very, very good for a good stretch of his rookie season, and then he was inexplicably benched for ****ing Jarron Collins and he was never the same again.

The shooting that was hyped up coming into the league never materialized, but I was mesmerized by that supposed potential after seeing him log five blocks in like his 10th game ever. Such a theoretical player was exactly what that team needed.
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I never had super high hopes but thought he'd be an nba player... I think sloan broke him a bit, but he became a serviceable big so I didn't include him.

Stevenson was a good add by some posters. I thought he had good potential too... he had a couple moments.

I suppose we could add the draft rights to Ante Tomic, but I think we got so much use out of his rights in hypothetical trades that I'm cool there.

Kanter a pretty good add too considering intrigue, draft position, flashes of great production... he even looked to be a lovable goofball, but then things got all serious. He's got a weird personality and I find myself strangely sympathetic to a guy who asked out and was a complete *** while doing it... chalked it up to youth and immaturity.
 
Carlos Arroyo - thought he'd be very good, but he loved watching himself dribble too much. Just PASS THE DAMN BALL!

George Hill - thought he'd be around for a few years. He really owes Quin half of that big deal he signed when he left.

Ty Corbin - was supposed to be Sloan lite, maybe more like Sloan decaf.

Rony Seikaly, Derek Harper - woud Utah have won a ring with either?

Trey Lyles - never has a man with such great balance done so little.
Only pick I hated more than Lyles was Grayson Allen.

And I agree re: AK. Could have been a HOF'er. Guy had such unique talent, Then he signed his big deal and quit working. Have to admit it was very entertaining to read every off-season he added 15 lbs of muscle and really improved his shooting.
 
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Not sure I can add Stevenson to the list. I mean, my assumption was that he’d be really good, but it was never based on anything I ever actually saw. It was based on the prevailing thought at the time that anyone drafted from high school was going to be a super star.
 
prodigy said:
Id add Rodney Hood that list. He had some great moments in big games carrying the jazz offense at times. But just couldnt consistently deliver.
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This. There was a stretch during his second year where one could dream of All-Star level development as a PnR ball handler. He showed the beginning of an ability to make three reads and quickly make a good decision. For some reason, he developed tunnel vision instead. Dude just didn’t have the mental fortitude, I think.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That last part is true. Also one of the dumbest possible ways of looking at the whole thing. He has actually benefitted from his injuries. It’s almost impressive.
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I say this with all due love and respect: I hope you survive through this Dante saga. It’s obviously killing you. I just hope the death is slow enough that we’re able to nurse you back to health when the saga is over. Hugs & Kisses, bro.
 
NAOS said:
I say this with all due love and respect: I hope you survive through this Dante saga. It’s obviously killing you. I just hope the death is slow enough that we’re able to nurse you back to health when the saga is over. Hugs & Kisses, bro.
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I enjoy having a team free of bad contracts and sore thumbs. I also enjoy people earning things they have. I am not a fan of compounding bad decisions by doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on them. What can I say.
 
NAOS said:
This. There was a stretch during his second year where one could dream of All-Star level development as a PnR ball handler. He showed the beginning of an ability to make three reads and quickly make a good decision. For some reason, he developed tunnel vision instead. Dude just didn’t have the mental fortitude, I think.
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I think we projected things that may never have been there... he just wasn't athletic enough to take that big jump and the nagging injuries hurt his consistency. He was just too reliant on shot making and was good at it, but not elite... so if you aren't getting to the line or getting the efficient buckets it limits where you can go.

Being older coming into the league and not really athletic I think we took his rookie and second year efforts and projected them like he was a 19-20 year old. Thing I always liked is he could create his shot... almost always a mid range jumper, but there are times when that is valuable imo. I think he was meant to be a bench gunner and we wanted him to be a #1 or #2 option. I'd actually have loved to have him back in the 6th man role... guy can get hot and win a few games and his inconsistent games don't sting as much... he becomes found money in a way.
 
NAOS said:
This. There was a stretch during his second year where one could dream of All-Star level development as a PnR ball handler. He showed the beginning of an ability to make three reads and quickly make a good decision. For some reason, he developed tunnel vision instead. Dude just didn’t have the mental fortitude, I think.
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I think it’d be interesting to see an alternate universe for Hood. His trajectory looked really good. Like, if he didn’t get hurt, or whatever it was that led to Ingles going into the starting lineup, then never had the pressure. If we hypothetically had Hill, Hood, Hayward and Gobert, but then had someone like a Kevin Love (then), what would Hood have looked like?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we projected things that may never have been there... he just wasn't athletic enough to take that big jump and the nagging injuries hurt his consistency. He was just too reliant on shot making and was good at it, but not elite... so if you aren't getting to the line or getting the efficient buckets it limits where you can go.

Being older coming into the league and not really athletic I think we took his rookie and second year efforts and projected them like he was a 19-20 year old. Thing I always liked is he could create his shot... almost always a mid range jumper, but there are times when that is valuable imo. I think he was meant to be a bench gunner and we wanted him to be a #1 or #2 option. I'd actually have loved to have him back in the 6th man role... guy can get hot and win a few games and his inconsistent games don't sting as much... he becomes found money in a way.
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I really don’t think you can tell an accurate history of Hood’s trajectory without mentioning the mental stuff.
 
infection said:
I think it’d be interesting to see an alternate universe for Hood. His trajectory looked really good. Like, if he didn’t get hurt, or whatever it was that led to Ingles going into the starting lineup, then never had the pressure. If we hypothetically had Hill, Hood, Hayward and Gobert, but then had someone like a Kevin Love (then), what would Hood have looked like?
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Hard to say if this would have cure teh diarrhea.
 
infection said:
I think it’d be interesting to see an alternate universe for Hood. His trajectory looked really good. Like, if he didn’t get hurt, or whatever it was that led to Ingles going into the starting lineup, then never had the pressure. If we hypothetically had Hill, Hood, Hayward and Gobert, but then had someone like a Kevin Love (then), what would Hood have looked like?
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Hood would have been benched regardless. He had a huge mindset change in his 3rd year and turned his game into a chucker.

People way overhyped him tho. Hes one of the stranger players with how his body moves. Just had no ability whatsoever to dribble drive into a scoring moves going towards the rim. Rarely went off 1 foot in the lane. Always two foot stops or a stop into a pivot. And when he did it looked really awkward.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Anyone remember Jamie Watson? He was back in the Stockton days he was a 6-7 pg that listened to his idiot agent who told Jamie he’d be a star and should hold out for big bucks and was never heard from again. I thought he had a chance to be pretty good.
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I do. I believe Russell was drafted the year before and did decently as a rookie. This led to young me expecting every random 2nd round pick to come in and contribute right away. Jamie Watson didn’t, but I remember him and my crushed expectations to this day.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Not sure why Im the only one with Favors.
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You’re not. We traded the face of our post-Stockton and Malone franchise for him and had expectations for being really good and not just “teh advanced stats” good.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Not sure why Im the only one with Favors.
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He was still very good, always properly paid, accepted a reduced role, and was a genuine dude. He was a slight disappointment for me... not a first teamer imo. I think the league kinda changed on him, but I also didn't really expect him to be like Amare or Prime Dwight.
 
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