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Fire Snyder!!!

I think it’s time to bring Conley off the bench. He said he’ll do whatever it takes to win. So let’s see if we can regain the magic we had with Mitchell-Bogey-Ingles-Royce-Gobert starting.

If not now, when?
 
Patience is great. Coaches can’t be rash. That said, there is something to be said with having too much of it.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah looking back, this trade has not worked out.

Looking at the trade before it happened, it looked fantastic. It never looked good as far as salary, but it looked great as far as role,

I was EXTREMELY excited about Conley taking the shots Rubio had been taking. I thought this was perfect. Many of my fellow Jazzfanzers did too.

It didn't work out. It was a ****ing good idea, but it didn't or hasn't worked out.

Don't act like you knew **** before you knew it.

All of you right now acting like it was obvious this was a bad move. Either point us to your warning post before the trade or get off you high horse. You didn't know **** and you still don't know ****.
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Don't you need a little more credibility before you get all preachy, Mr Done With Gobert Man?
 
Quin is one of the best coaches we'll see roll through here anytime soon. It would suck to have to let him go. But he needs to wake the f up. He's just going through the motions right now and without a true floor leader, his players are following suit.
 
sahlensguy said:
Quin is one of the best coaches we'll see roll through here anytime soon. It would suck to have to let him go. But he needs to wake the f up. He's just going through the motions right now and without a true floor leader, his players are following suit.
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I agree.

I don't understand how some advocate so much for Conley. With Mitchell at PG, we looked great. Conley comes back and we go immediately down. Just because he sits a game doesn't mean practices and set expectations change much.

Since two months into his career, Donovan and our team seems better when he is at PG. Our product is more entertaining and we seem to win more (please correct me if I'm horribly wrong).

If Conley isn't 100% and needs to heal up, shelve him for a couple weeks and see if we can sort this out. Conley isn't the solution.

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Gameface said:
Yeah looking back, this trade has not worked out.

Looking at the trade before it happened, it looked fantastic. It never looked good as far as salary, but it looked great as far as role,

I was EXTREMELY excited about Conley taking the shots Rubio had been taking. I thought this was perfect. Many of my fellow Jazzfanzers did too.

It didn't work out. It was a ****ing good idea, but it didn't or hasn't worked out.

Don't act like you knew **** before you knew it.

All of you right now acting like it was obvious this was a bad move. Either point us to your warning post before the trade or get off you high horse. You didn't know **** and you still don't know ****.
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There is plenty of evidence that many here were not thrilled about the trade ahead of it. I was vocal about it. Many others were as well. I think we tried to be cautiously optimistic but it was called out that many of us did not want the trade, they Conley isn't the guy we need, that they are giving up too much to get him. We are where we are no matter what now, but plenty of us saw this as a bad move from the get-go.
 
LogGrad98 said:
There is plenty of evidence that many here were not thrilled about the trade ahead of it. I was vocal about it. Many others were as well. I think we tried to be cautiously optimistic but it was called out that many of us did not want the trade, they Conley isn't the guy we need, that they are giving up too much to get him. We are where we are no matter what now, but plenty of us saw this as a bad move from the get-go.
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I was generally happy. Thought we overpaid... originally I thought a guy like mike was overkill for what we neede then convinced myself he could be George hill. I may have just been happy we didn’t just run it back again.
 
LogGrad98 said:
There is plenty of evidence that many here were not thrilled about the trade ahead of it. I was vocal about it. Many others were as well. I think we tried to be cautiously optimistic but it was called out that many of us did not want the trade, they Conley isn't the guy we need, that they are giving up too much to get him. We are where we are no matter what now, but plenty of us saw this as a bad move from the get-go.
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Ya I thought DM should be our pg, I thought we gave up too much to get Conley, I thought Conley was too old and overpaid.

Having said that, about a week or so after the trade I started imagining how amazing we could be with Conley

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I thought we overpaid for Conley only because we included the draft picks and they were getting jamor-ant. They didnt need Conley and it was a 1 team sweepstakes.

That having been said I wouldnt hold that against DL or Zanik. They are cautious and play a long game. I am comfortable with them at the helm. They could have done better at some things for sure but we have had real quality pickups as well.

The issue for me is related to the coach. The team is predictable, unflexable from their philosophy, playing uninspired, we dont reward Mudiay when he comes in and Carrie's the team for a 19 - 3 win streak, but we continue to trust Conley on a 0 - 5 streak and keep going now that we follow it up with another 0 - 3 streak 2 weeks later.

Quin is the issue imho.
 
sahlensguy said:
Don't you need a little more credibility before you get all preachy, Mr Done With Gobert Man?
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No.

He's sober in this post.

There's GF-Sober who's a pretty reasonable and enjoyable poster.

Then there's GF-drunk who's pretty unreasonable and entertaining.


Educate yourself.
 


Carmelo Anthony: Here's another self loathing record I have. Made the most money and didn't have to work for it.

Mike Conley 2020: Hold my beer.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah looking back, this trade has not worked out.

Looking at the trade before it happened, it looked fantastic. It never looked good as far as salary, but it looked great as far as role,

I was EXTREMELY excited about Conley taking the shots Rubio had been taking. I thought this was perfect. Many of my fellow Jazzfanzers did too.

It didn't work out. It was a ****ing good idea, but it didn't or hasn't worked out.

Don't act like you knew **** before you knew it.

All of you right now acting like it was obvious this was a bad move. Either point us to your warning post before the trade or get off you high horse. You didn't know **** and you still don't know ****.
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I never once trumpeted for the Conley trade. At first I was alarmed by how much it cost to acquire him. Then, it was like, “a 6’ guard over 30??”

I bought into the hype after the Bogie acquisition, because by then the load on Conley appeared to be very manageable. Even that last part was rose-tinted.

Please stop acting like JFC was univocal in its support of the Conley acquisition.
 
LogGrad98 said:
There is plenty of evidence that many here were not thrilled about the trade ahead of it. I was vocal about it. Many others were as well. I think we tried to be cautiously optimistic but it was called out that many of us did not want the trade, they Conley isn't the guy we need, that they are giving up too much to get him. We are where we are no matter what now, but plenty of us saw this as a bad move from the get-go.
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This
 
I was also against the Conley trade. I still don't believe he wanted to come here. Not to mention he is undersized, over paid and too old to fit our time frame. It was doomed before it even happened. I only hope he hates it bad enough he opts out, but that isn't happening. No one else is giving him 34 mil, even over three or four years. He's been exposed by leaving Memphis.
 
Snyder is a good coach; however, I think our defensive scheme is pretty easy to scout. We usually play four mediocre defensive players that let their man go to the rim and let Rudy stop them at the rim. This is pretty easy to plan against and we see teams junk up the games and we have no answer. We have gone without a traditional power forward and have relied too much on Royce to be our only wing defender.
 
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