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This reasoning is kind of killing me... there isn't just one issue obviously... the data set is clear that the lineups with Royce in for Mike with the starters are so so much better than the current lineup. It gets hard to get to those lineups in game flow if you don't start that way. But there is also some psychology/ripple effects here:

- We know Joe works really well with Rudy and the starters... having him out there has a better chance to get him going and feeds the big fella so it gets Rudy going.
- If Rudy is getting the ball more he is more engaged on defense... in a perfect world he just plays defense and doesn't need this, but we've seen this with other bigs and with Rudy before. Rudy can get fed.
- Royce gets to start and guard the best perimeter guy, which takes a load off of DM and Ingles... DM can now likely hide somewhere and save his energy. These guys aren't robots... it is hard as hell to be really good on both ends of the court with the energy it takes. So now Royce is used more properly and we've lightened the loads of the other guys. Royce needs to be better than he has recently, but has a history of being quite good.

The argument for Mike is that he is a better creator... but that unit doesn't need a lot of creation... and Mike has been the most inefficient creator of those guys. He's a worse spot up shooter than Joe and Royce...

So you push Mike to the bench... he will have a chance to maybe find himself a bit. His creation will help that unit... and his size won't be as big of an issue. You may lose him... but he's already been pretty bad and historically he's an average efficiency scorer... so NBD if you lose him... he's been well below that. He's been nicked up so less minutes isn't a bad thing.

So while this solution isn't the cure all... it has a chance to fix some of our many issues. Its like if you were in a horrible accident and had lots of injuries... treating your head wound won't fix your broken leg, but you should address the head wound right?

Cannot say I don't agree with the reasoning. In fact I do mostly.
Yet... this idea that our guys woes arise fundamentally from their talent pool being a bit short continues to runn circles over my head... it's just mindblowing to think the amount of talent and thougness you need to seriously compete in the NBA right lately...
 
That is concerning as well though... you don't do that to guys... let the toothpaste out of the tube (before a tough national tv game) and then try to put it back in.
It's concerning however you look at it. Post game interviews are going to be interesting.
 
In soccer where the coaches are fired much easier than in basketball it happens sometimes that the players clearly underperform to get rid of unwanted coach. I guess in basketball players may also have their ways to force some changes on the coaching staff..
I used to follow soccer closely. I'm from a soccer kind of land. Different idiosincracy, but you're right. Coaches use to be much more on the edge.
Anyway, I don't think there's a Jazz player or group of them right now with the strenghts needed to force coaching staff changes. I don't always understand Coach's decisions, but I don't think or feel Jazz organization is at or near a point where Quin would be put in the hot seat.
 
Okay... so here is what TJ said in his interview...

- Said Quin wants more data with him in the starting lineup...
- Said "other heads got involved... and a different decision was made"
- Was asked why and said they (the Jazz) didn't want it to look like he was to blame and "behind closed doors" the discussion happened and was reversed.

He is kinda stuttering through it and being very careful how he words things... Its pretty ****ing clear to me what happened. DL/JZ didn't like the look and made Quin change his mind.

If Quin wanted more data he would have waited... he wouldn't have gone through the song and dance of telling the guys individually and the team. Our FO is dumb AF right now and I have zero confidence in them right now.
 
If Quin is favoring and backing his overpaid crappiest player on the team then he definitely is part of the problem . DL and Zanik this is all your fault. Coach Quin grow some balls
 
Okay... so here is what TJ said in his interview...

- Said Quin wants more data with him in the starting lineup...
- Said "other heads got involved... and a different decision was made"
- Was asked why and said they (the Jazz) didn't want it to look like he was to blame and "behind closed doors" the discussion happened and was reversed.

He is kinda stuttering through it and being very careful how he words things... Its pretty ****ing clear to me what happened. DL/JZ didn't like the look and made Quin change his mind.

If Quin wanted more data he would have waited... he wouldn't have gone through the song and dance of telling the guys individually and the team. Our FO is dumb AF right now and I have zero confidence in them right now.

Based on this and how the team performs the rest of the season I could see Quin resigning as HC due to lack of management trust.
 
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Should have listened until the end of the interview... TJ says what he thinks happened... and then kind of indicated you can go to joe and tell him hes playing less and not starting and its not a problem... but with Mike you might get more pushback.

Go listen yourself and see what you think... I'm 50/50 with either its mike or the front office. Either way the coach should answer too bad.
 
Based on this and hownthe team performs the rest of the season I could see Quin resigning as HC due to lack of management trust.

If DL or JZ stepped on Quin's toes we're ****ing doomed and someone's gotta go.

Quin wouldn't resign... he'd murder the responsible party and everyone they love and make it look like an accident.
 
Should have listened until the end of the interview... TJ says what he thinks happened... and then kind of indicated you can go to joe and tell him hes playing less and not starting and its not a problem... but with Mike you might get more pushback.

Go listen yourself and see what you think... I'm 50/50 with either its mike or the front office. Either way the coach should answer too bad.
Mike Conley can go **** himself with a giant dildo!
 
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Okay... so here is what TJ said in his interview...

- Said Quin wants more data with him in the starting lineup...
- Said "other heads got involved... and a different decision was made"
- Was asked why and said they (the Jazz) didn't want it to look like he was to blame and "behind closed doors" the discussion happened and was reversed.

He is kinda stuttering through it and being very careful how he words things... Its pretty ****ing clear to me what happened. DL/JZ didn't like the look and made Quin change his mind.

If Quin wanted more data he would have waited... he wouldn't have gone through the song and dance of telling the guys individually and the team. Our FO is dumb AF right now and I have zero confidence in them right now.

I just listened to the interview too and I get the same impression as you. Quin and his staff made the decision to bench Mike and told the players and then Lindsey and Zanik got involved and changed his mind. The front office shouldn't be interfering in Quins coaching decisions.
 
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