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HeatCheck said:
Maybe but they might not want another small guard with McCollum on their books. Sexton would be great for them next to Dyson Daniels, Herb and Murphy which I don't really like as a jazz fan though.

Ingram is due for a huge extension just like Lauri. The rumor a few weeks ago was that David Griffin's stance had changed and he might consider dealing BI who was totally off limits in trade talks the past few years. Wishful thinking but wonder how many picks Jazz would need to add to John Collins? Supposedly Pels are also looking for a young replacement for Valanciunas which screams Kessler.
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If there's a chance to trade for Ingram this summer and if we could afford it going forward, I'm all for it. One of the best playmaking forwards in the league, he would fit great with Lauri (the same age too). I would keep Kessler though as I want to see how he develops next season.
 
sip said:
None of those teams are going after Jonas. Use your head man.
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JV is likely an MLE type dude. Even if NO doesn't pay him they will need to pay to bring in a starting level center. They are handcuffing themself with the owners unwillingness to spend but its kind of a known limitation.
 
sip said:
None of those teams are going after Jonas. Use your head man.
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Why arent those teams going after Jonas?

I know you're the president of thinking eveyrone should rebuild and that young guys are the only players that matter, but all those teams could esaily look at the available free agents and their cap and sign Jonas to a 1 year deal worth 20 million w/ a team option. NOLA wont be able to just lowball him and have him back.
 
One move that would be both hilarious and really exciting, would be for us to move all the Cavs-picks we got for Donovan Mitchell to the Cavs to get him back. 3 unprotected firsts, the swap rights cancelled + Sexton and Clarkson going back to the Cavs should match any offer from another team. The Cavs get a solid contributor back in Sexton, trade fodder in Clarkson and most importantly, complete control of their own drafts.

The Jazz would have the ability to renegotiate and extend Mitchell this off season, adding another $7 million to his salary for the 24/25-season. We can do the same with Lauri and go into next season with a core of Markkanen, Mitchell, George and Hendricks. We would still have the Minnesota picks and the 2027 Laker-pick to strengthen the squad, in addition to whatever picks we get this year.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
One move that would be both hilarious and really exciting, would be for us to move all the Cavs-picks we got for Donovan Mitchell to the Cavs to get him back. 3 unprotected firsts, the swap rights cancelled + Sexton and Clarkson going back to the Cavs should match any offer from another team. The Cavs get a solid contributor back in Sexton, trade fodder in Clarkson and most importantly, complete control of their own drafts.

The Jazz would have the ability to renegotiate and extend Mitchell this off season, adding another $7 million to his salary for the 24/25-season. We can do the same with Lauri and go into next season with a core of Markkanen, Mitchell, George and Hendricks. We would still have the Minnesota picks and the 2027 Laker-pick to strengthen the squad, in addition to whatever picks we get this year.
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The premise behind Cleveland trading Donovan would be that they expect him to leave in free agency for a bigger market, whether that's LA, NY or Miami. I don't see Donovan coming back to Utah at this point.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The premise behind Cleveland trading Donovan would be that they expect him to leave in free agency for a bigger market, whether that's LA, NY or Miami. I don't see Donovan coming back to Utah at this point.
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Neither do I, but who knows? $7 million dollars has been known to change a mind or two. If he adds two years so that he would be on a three year deal with a player option for the fourth, he could be a free agent again when he hits 10 years of service and is eligble for 35% of the cap.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The premise behind Cleveland trading Donovan would be that they expect him to leave in free agency for a bigger market, whether that's LA, NY or Miami. I don't see Donovan coming back to Utah at this point.
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I agree with you. When he leave, he was quite happy. He will make big money and many teams will be interested to get him. And much better team for win, much better place to leave.
I'm not a Don fan but i look at several Cavs games this year and have to admit , he is a much better player than he was with us. The main difference beeing the effort in put in defense. Cavs got one of the best defense in NBA and he is part of it.
 
After Cavs lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs I think they need to do something about all the redundancy on their roster, assuming Don extends and of course that is still a big question. Their backcourt is probably too small but the much bigger issue is you cannot start 2 non-offensive centers. My bet is it wouldn't be shocking if they deal Mobley for a more established starter at a position of need. Mobley will also be due for an extension off his rookie contract.

Would you guys trade Lauri for Mobley? Mobley's development got stunted when they added Don. Not to mention Allen is the better fit with Don at this point. Mobley was considered untouchable when Ainge made the Don deal. He is already a first team all defensive type player but is very raw offensively. I do believe he has the skill set to one day be a hub offensively if developed properly. The Cavs are not in a great position to be developing him when Don is ready to win now and they have glaring holes at the forward position. Trading Lauri back to them could also effect our future draft picks but that didn't stop Ainge from making a big deal with Minnesota last year. For the Jazz, dealing Lauri for the younger Mobley could take some pressure off in terms of them potentially "tanking" for the '25 draft. Just a thought..
 
HeatCheck said:
After Cavs lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs I think they need to do something about all the redundancy on their roster, assuming Don extends and of course that is still a big question. Their backcourt is probably too small but the much bigger issue is you cannot start 2 non-offensive centers. My bet is it wouldn't be shocking if they deal Mobley for a more established starter at a position of need. Mobley will also be due for an extension off his rookie contract.

Would you guys trade Lauri for Mobley? Mobley's development got stunted when they added Don. Not to mention Allen is the better fit with Don at this point. Mobley was considered untouchable when Ainge made the Don deal. He is already a first team all defensive type player but is very raw offensively. I do believe he has the skill set to one day be a hub offensively if developed properly. The Cavs are not in a great position to be developing him when Don is ready to win now and they have glaring holes at the forward position. Trading Lauri back to them could also effect our future draft picks but that didn't stop Ainge from making a big deal with Minnesota last year. For the Jazz, dealing Lauri for the younger Mobley could take some pressure off in terms of them potentially "tanking" for the '25 draft. Just a thought..
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Assuming Don extends?

He is under no circumstances extending. Even if he loved Cleveland and wanted to be a Cav for life, extending would be in his financial interest.

Also, I would be pretty shocked if they traded Mobley. In his 3rd year he's already approaching a 3.0 BPM and that's with being limited offensively.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Assuming Don extends?

He is under no circumstances extending. Even if he loved Cleveland and wanted to be a Cav for life, extending would be in his financial interest.

Also, I would be pretty shocked if they traded Mobley. In his 3rd year he's already approaching a 3.0 BPM and that's with being limited offensively.
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Why wouldn't he extend if he wants to be there? He will have 7 years of service this summer and be eligble for 30% of the cap. An extension can go up to 140% of his previous salary, which is more than enough to reach his new max.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Why wouldn't he extend if he wants to be there? He will have 7 years of service this summer and be eligble for 30% of the cap. An extension can go up to 140% of his previous salary, which is more than enough to reach his new max.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he can make more money not extending.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he can make more money not extending.
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He was never going to extend last summer as he only could get 25% of the cap. This off season he is eligble for 30% of the cap. Cleveland can also give him 8% raises. If he leaves next summer, he can get 30% of the cap in free agency, but only 5% raises.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
He was never going to extend last summer as he only could get 25% of the cap. This off season he is eligble for 30% of the cap. Cleveland can also give him 8% raises. If he leaves next summer, he can get 30% of the cap in free agency, but only 5% raises.
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If that is true, then him not re-signing would be a clear cut sign he isnt coming back.

I would need someone else to confirm this, because everything I've heard is that him not extending is a financial decision.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
He was never going to extend last summer as he only could get 25% of the cap. This off season he is eligble for 30% of the cap. Cleveland can also give him 8% raises. If he leaves next summer, he can get 30% of the cap in free agency, but only 5% raises.
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He would have had to take 3 years too. He can sign a 4 year extension at 200M. It will be a pivot point. If he doesn’t take it you move him. I wonder if his little injuries gives him enough pause to just do a 3+1 extension. NY looks to be out of the Din biz. Miami doesn’t have the trade assets… is he angling to get to Brooklyn with their nonsense. Does LA tamper hard enough that their meager package works?

Have fun Cleveland.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If that is true, then him not re-signing would be a clear cut sign he isnt coming back.

I would need someone else to confirm this, because everything I've heard is that him not extending is a financial decision.
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My wife and wiener dog confirms it if that helps.

But yeah, you are right. If he does not extend this summer, he is out.
 
HeatCheck said:
After Cavs lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs I think they need to do something about all the redundancy on their roster, assuming Don extends and of course that is still a big question. Their backcourt is probably too small but the much bigger issue is you cannot start 2 non-offensive centers. My bet is it wouldn't be shocking if they deal Mobley for a more established starter at a position of need. Mobley will also be due for an extension off his rookie contract.

Would you guys trade Lauri for Mobley? Mobley's development got stunted when they added Don. Not to mention Allen is the better fit with Don at this point. Mobley was considered untouchable when Ainge made the Don deal. He is already a first team all defensive type player but is very raw offensively. I do believe he has the skill set to one day be a hub offensively if developed properly. The Cavs are not in a great position to be developing him when Don is ready to win now and they have glaring holes at the forward position. Trading Lauri back to them could also effect our future draft picks but that didn't stop Ainge from making a big deal with Minnesota last year. For the Jazz, dealing Lauri for the younger Mobley could take some pressure off in terms of them potentially "tanking" for the '25 draft. Just a thought..
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I just can't see the Cavs moving Mobley. They know there's a good chance Mitchell will leave them before the 2025 trade deadline and knew it already when they got him. If this happens, they will get good return and keep building around Garland and Mobley. Maybe they keep Allen as well although I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him as Mobley develops further into a solid center.
 
I think its truly 50/50 on if Donny extends. I don't think he has the stomach for a trade demand to one of the markets he wants to go to... and unless he limits his market I don't see the desirable markets having enough to make a decent trade. I thought he'd head to Brooklyn but I am not sure that looks like a great place to be even though its close to home. Miami has like two picks it can offer if the do some business with OKC. LA has 3 picks on draft night they can offer. NY likely doesn't want to pay the price.

If he stays I think Garland would be the natural trade piece.
 
How about a Kessler for Naz Reid-trade? This trade would really help the Timberwolves financially and we would get a different kind of center to pair with Markkanen and Hendricks in the front court.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
How about a Kessler for Naz Reid-trade? This trade would really help the Timberwolves financially and we would get a different kind of center to pair with Markkanen and Hendricks in the front court.
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Could be an interesting trade. Naz step up this year and is a much better offensive player Kessler will never be. But i doubt Minny trade him considering how good his contract is. I see them trading KAT after they failed to make a long run this year which may likely happen. KAT-Lauri may work but KAT contract is huge...
 
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