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stitches said:
I'm not... there is obvious concern with his shooting.... not just that it doesn't go in but IMO he clearly lacks confidence in it and is passing on shots he needs to take. And despite all that, I still like him the best from all the prospects I've watched so far and I do think there are reasons to think he will improve his shooting(form looks good and repeatable, FT% is solid, work ethic and attitude)
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Personally, I think the lack of confidence is not exactly a good sign. It's a chicken/egg kind of problem, but I will say that poor confidence probably comes from poor shooting more than poor shooting comes from poor confidence. I do think he has great work ethic, but that is also a double edged sword because his great work ethic/elite mentality has not resulted in a jump shot....yet.

I also really like him, and I think he will find a way to become an effective player even if he can't shoot....but the shot is a true limiting factor for him. Given this poor draft, he's in the top 5 or close to it for me though.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
You are surely talking about me since I'm doing the Castle water carrying this morning. So at what point did I dismiss his shooting rather than make it THE thing he needs to work on?
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I am not talking about you actually you’re just the one talking about him lol.
 
KqWIN said:
Poor shooting indicators generally lead to poor shooting results. That's how it works. You should look to the past and that includes all players, not one off anecdotes. If you actually think naming a random anecdotal player that did or did not improve his shooting is how it works, I don't know what to tell ya.
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Yes and if you have 10-20 comps and half of them the shot worked and the other half it didn't then should you use that data or throw it away?

I choose to use that data as comps are useful... but I don't know what to tell you if you don't.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Well, how many 6’7 PG’s with a 7’0 wingspan are there in the NBA?
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This is not a dig at you or anybody else about Topic, but are we having that evaluation of him based on watching full games or highlights? Are there any full games of his I can actually watch to form a more solid opinion on him? I've liked what I've seen from the highlights, but I want to see him play and defend and move on the floor, etc.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Is it? Reed is one of the most efficient players in the history of college ball so why wasn't he shooting more? You seem to want to say Castle not shooting is showing low confidence, but when Sheppard did it it's something else? In 12 games this season Sheppard took 5 or less shots. Seems like a guy who wanted to preserve his percentages because his main ticket is his efficiency....
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Seems like a guy who came off the bench and a guy where a lot of shots weren’t drawn for him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I am not talking about you actually you’re just the one talking about him lol.
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Well I don't see anyone saying it's not very important.

Maybe Cy is the one who is bringing up other stuff more than shooting, but if asked I'm sure he would not dismiss how important shooting will be for Castle to be effective at the next level. But as I said, that line works for well over half of these prospects.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Well I don't see anyone saying it's not very important.

Maybe Cy is the one who is bringing up other stuff more than shooting, but if asked I'm sure he would not dismiss how important shooting will be for Castle to be effective at the next level. But as I said, that line works for well over half of these prospects.
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HH dismisses it when usually he’s very pro stocks and pro shooting. Both which Castle lacks at.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Seems like a guy who came off the bench and a guy where a lot of shots weren’t drawn for him.
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Oh, so now team context matters, but only with Reed, a guy who lost in the first round of both the SEC and NCAA tournament.

It's like UConn had an extremely effective gameplan that didnt involve Castle taking early clock 3's and instead using his skills to help the team. He played extremely confidently in his role and never backed down. Cant stay the same thing about Reed who got torched by a guy who looks like David Locke.

Also Sheppard averaged more minutes and shot less than Castle. You can blame it on this or that, but he was extremely efficient and should have been more assertive. You can blame the coach all you want, but Reed had games were he was assertive, it's not like UK was telling him not to be. He just doesnt have the ability to impact the game like Castle does due to his limited size.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes and if you have 10-20 comps and half of them the shot worked and the other half it didn't then should you use that data or throw it away?

I choose to use that data as comps are useful... but I don't know what to tell you if you don't.
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You use all the data, that's what I'm saying. I can name 10-20 that did not work. Does that mean there's a 100% fail rate? Of course not. That's what anecdotal evidence is. I don't know why you're so adamant that we should use anecdotes instead of all the data.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Is it? Reed is one of the most efficient players in the history of college ball so why wasn't he shooting more? You seem to want to say Castle not shooting is showing low confidence, but when Sheppard did it it's something else? In 12 games this season Sheppard took 5 or less shots. Seems like a guy who wanted to preserve his percentages because his main ticket is his efficiency....
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I think the reason people think he lacks confidence in it is because of what he actually is doing on the floor. I've seen him multiple times do a double take... start gathering for the shot... then hesitate, then decides he doesn't want to shoot it. And this is without a contest from a defender. I've seen him turn down shots that Quin would chew players for passing.
 
Elizah Huge said:
HH dismisses it when usually he’s very pro stocks and pro shooting. Both which Castle lacks at.
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Sounds like a feisty podcast. If you have Castle at #4 I cannot imagine there is more than at most 2 spots of difference for Castle on yours and HH's respective big boards.

So maybe it's the Castle people who are a bit confused when they say I really like this guy, then people come pour water on it while saying 'but he's top 5 on my board too' well no one said he was a perfect prospect when they mentioned liking him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
HH dismisses it when usually he’s very pro stocks and pro shooting. Both which Castle lacks at.
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LOL man. Its obviously an issue but Castle is a different type of defender. He gambled maybe twice last night instead he choked the life out of the point of attack guy. I love stocks as an indicator on defense. It isn't the end all be all and yes I will watch and trust what I am seeing too. Cy posted the synergy stuff on Castle's defense. He is going to be a good defender and I have little concern about that translating to the NBA because of his physical profile and effort. Reed is small and is a river boat gambler. He may be awesome as a playmaker but I have less confidence about him on that end. I have more confidence in Reed as an offensive player because he is an awesome shooter. Its ironic because I think both Reed and Castle aren't shooting as much as they could because they are trying to make the right plays for their team.

Castle is not a good shooter. I am not assuming he will be a good shooter... but its not like there is no hope there. There are exactly zero completely flawless prospects in this draft. So you choose the imperfections you want.
 
stitches said:
I think the reason people think he lacks confidence in it is because of what he actually is doing on the floor. I've seen him multiple times do a double take... start gathering for the shot... then hesitate, then decides he doesn't want to shoot it. And this is without a contest from a defender. I've seen him turn down shots that Quin would chew players for passing.
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that can be lack of confidence or it can be processing the game and asking "is this the best shot we can get". it can also be a little of both.
 
KqWIN said:
You use all the data, that's what I'm saying. I can name 10-20 that did not work. Does that mean there's a 100% fail rate? Of course not. That's what anecdotal evidence is. I don't know why you're so adamant that we should use anecdotes instead of all the data.
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I'm not at all. If you isolate 1 example its dumb but I think with Castle the shooting is legit a 50/50 proposition with all sorts of variance and places he could land. But its one of the things that is most frequently figured out and its one thing if he figures out makes him a pretty complete and valuable player. So yes... I would bet with more confidence on him than another bet.
 
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