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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Dude, read the context of that discussion. The idea was that Castle would be viable if you surround him with shooters. He's not good enough to be a lead ball handler.
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So why are we throwing out Ben Simmons when it's not relevant? Ben Simmons is an extremely unique case in terms of non-shooting. To bring them up in the same discussion is simply not good faith draft discussion and it's creating an image in people's minds that isnt accurate.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
that can be lack of confidence or it can be processing the game and asking "is this the best shot we can get". it can also be a little of both.
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And Taylor Hendricks is an example of this too. At times he makes mistakes where he should just shoot it. He is processing the game and its not necessarily a confidence thing.
 
stitches said:
I think the reason people think he lacks confidence in it is because of what he actually is doing on the floor. I've seen him multiple times do a double take... start gathering for the shot... then hesitate, then decides he doesn't want to shoot it. And this is without a contest from a defender. I've seen him turn down shots that Quin would chew players for passing.
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Quin's offense was also based off launching 3's, so I really dont see the relevance.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So why are we throwing out Ben Simmons when it's not relevant? Ben Simmons is an extremely unique case in terms of non-shooting. To bring them up in the same discussion is simply not good faith draft discussion and it's creating an image in people's minds that isnt accurate.
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Read the posts.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Quin's offense was also based off launching 3's, so I really dont see the relevance.
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Imagine being a freshman starter who didn't have a camp due to injury playing for the best team in the nation and a psychotic coach... how many threes you launching a game?

Its a guess... but I am guessing part of Castle's shooting reluctance is because he's trying to execute the game plan. I hope when Will Hardy gets him that he tells him to let it fly a bit more.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm not at all. If you isolate 1 example its dumb but I think with Castle the shooting is legit a 50/50 proposition with all sorts of variance and places he could land. But its one of the things that is most frequently figured out and its one thing if he figures out makes him a pretty complete and valuable player. So yes... I would bet with more confidence on him than another bet.
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Well, you seemed to have a problem with me saying that one off anecdotes are bad. Did you forget what post you responded to and the line you bolded? What are we talking about here lol. You asked how me how it worked if not anecdotes, and I'm telling you it works by not using anecdotes.

The indicators on the indicators. Free throws and threes are well known indicators, and we have sites that produce an expectation based on them If you want to add your own personal touch on top of that, go ahead...too each their own. All I said is that you shouldn't pull up a random anecdote to prove something one way or another.
 
To me I had the perfect low end outcome for Castle.

It's Okoro. Nearly the exact same size as Freshman. Very similar "do it all" playstyles. Both poor shooters in college. Both high IQ connectors on offense (though that hasnt really translated for Okoro to the NBA).

Okoro became a better shooter, but he never learned to be a primary player at the NBA level. Never even really tried either. I could see that outcome for Castle. I really dont see Castle never learning how to be a respectable open 3pt shooter. Sure, that will scare some people, but Okoro is still a viable NBA rotation player.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Imagine being a freshman starter who didn't have a camp due to injury playing for the best team in the nation and a psychotic coach... how many threes you launching a game?

Its a guess... but I am guessing part of Castle's shooting reluctance is because he's trying to execute the game plan. I hope when Will Hardy gets him that he tells him to let it fly a bit more.
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I think the Jazz would start Castle in the G-League and let him get primary ball-handler reps in. (Unless they actually go the tank route)
 
Here is an interesting question… swap Sheppard’s and Castle’s roles and teams… who ends up being the higher ranked consensus prospect? I think it’s Sheppard very easily.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Oh, so now team context matters, but only with Reed, a guy who lost in the first round of both the SEC and NCAA tournament.

It's like UConn had an extremely effective gameplan that didnt involve Castle taking early clock 3's and instead using his skills to help the team. He played extremely confidently in his role and never backed down. Cant stay the same thing about Reed who got torched by a guy who looks like David Locke.

Also Sheppard averaged more minutes and shot less than Castle. You can blame it on this or that, but he was extremely efficient and should have been more assertive. You can blame the coach all you want, but Reed had games were he was assertive, it's not like UK was telling him not to be. He just doesnt have the ability to impact the game like Castle does due to his limited size.
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Too funny and true.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
To me I had the perfect low end outcome for Castle.

It's Okoro. Nearly the exact same size as Freshman. Very similar "do it all" playstyles. Both poor shooters in college. Both high IQ connectors on offense (though that hasnt really translated for Okoro to the NBA).

Okoro became a better shooter, but he never learned to be a primary player at the NBA level. Never even really tried either. I could see that outcome for Castle. I really dont see Castle never learning how to be a respectable open 3pt shooter. Sure, that will scare some people, but Okoro is still a viable NBA rotation player.
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I see Bruce Brown. That's who comes to mind when I see Castle operating inside the paint and making smart plays, I think Brown is overrated on defense, however, and I think Castle will be better.

Okoro is an interesting name. I think Castle has more ball skills. The difference in them as prospects is that Okoro was A+ getting to the basket and finishing/getting fouled. It didn't materialize into anything in the NBA because he's not a good enough ball handler. Castle was not quite as good at the basket in college, but I think he will have more success at the next level.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Here is an interesting question… swap Sheppard’s and Castle’s roles and teams… who ends up being the higher ranked consensus prospect? I think it’s Sheppard very easily.
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Jack Gohlke would never have scored 32 points off the bench on 10 of 20 three pointers against Castle. I like both Reed and Castle and would be happy with the Jazz getting either player, but they each have their own roles and advantages.
 
Holy ****… Cy might be on to something.

Okoro’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 28.6 3PT% (3.2 attempts), 67.2 FT%

Castle’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 26.7 3PT% (3.3 attempts), 75.5 FT%

Both are 6’6 with 6’8 wingspans

That is wild
 
KqWIN said:
Well, you seemed to have a problem with me saying that one off anecdotes are bad. Did you forget what post you responded to and the line you bolded? What are we talking about here lol. You asked how me how it worked if not anecdotes, and I'm telling you it works by not using anecdotes.

The indicators on the indicators. Free throws and threes are well known indicators, and we have sites that produce an expectation based on them If you want to add your own personal touch on top of that, go ahead...too each their own. All I said is that you shouldn't pull up a random anecdote to prove something one way or another.
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Anecdotes whether good or bad are something you should use. It felt like a shot because I definitely listed off like 10 names on the pod of guys with the shooting indicators that it did or didn't work out for. Honestly the examples are about all we have. Their prediction value obviously not perfect... some guys with his shooting profile ended up being able to shoot some didn't. If all we did was say the shooting percentages are good so they will be a good shooter... then the draft wouldn't be hard. The draft is hard.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Holy ****… Cy might be on to something.

Okoro’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 28.6 3PT% (3.2 attempts), 67.2 FT%

Castle’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 26.7 3PT% (3.3 attempts), 75.5 FT%

Both are 6’6 with 6’8 wingspans

That is wild
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Bruh... I literally threw this one out there on the pod.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
To me I had the perfect low end outcome for Castle.

It's Okoro. Nearly the exact same size as Freshman. Very similar "do it all" playstyles. Both poor shooters in college. Both high IQ connectors on offense (though that hasnt really translated for Okoro to the NBA).

Okoro became a better shooter, but he never learned to be a primary player at the NBA level. Never even really tried either. I could see that outcome for Castle. I really dont see Castle never learning how to be a respectable open 3pt shooter. Sure, that will scare some people, but Okoro is still a viable NBA rotation player.
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I think its a low/medium end outcome but yes.
 
default said:
Jack Gohlke would never have scored 32 points off the bench on 10 of 20 three pointers against Castle. I like both Reed and Castle and would be happy with the Jazz getting either player, but they each have their own roles and advantages.
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Get serious. Only two of those threes were on Reed. Did you see the degree of difficulty on most of those?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think the Jazz would start Castle in the G-League and let him get primary ball-handler reps in. (Unless they actually go the tank route)
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I am not sure Castle is a full fledged point guard primary ballhandler type. I don't care what route they would take... I think because he can defend there would be a case to have him on varsity earlier and it would fit my "tank without trading Lauri" scheme I think they will run. I just want him to be told to get up 5-6 good threes a game. On a catch and shoot if open let it fly.
 
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