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This is a big offseason for the FO. We are two years out from the infamous summer of 2022, when we jettisoned Mitchell and Gobert.
- we were surprisingly still pretty good, made trades too late and missed out on Wemby. Still, we came away with George, Sensy and Hendricks. I guess we'll see
- we bought low on Collins, and now some salary is tied up. It'll be fine
- we continue to trade middling players for as many draft assets as possible (Ochai, Olynyk, Fontecchio).

We have picks 10, 29, and 32. Not amazing -- but we have more assets moving forward. The question becomes who is on the market, who pairs well with Lauri (our main priority), and when should the trade be made. Time will tell.

- George
 
George W said:
This is a big offseason for the FO. We are two years out from the infamous summer of 2022, when we jettisoned Mitchell and Gobert.
- we were surprisingly still pretty good, made trades too late and missed out on Wemby. Still, we came away with George, Sensy and Hendricks. I guess we'll see
- we bought low on Collins, and now some salary is tied up. It'll be fine
- we continue to trade middling players for as many draft assets as possible (Ochai, Olynyk, Fontecchio).

We have picks 10, 29, and 32. Not amazing -- but we have more assets moving forward. The question becomes who is on the market, who pairs well with Lauri (our main priority), and when should the trade be made. Time will tell.

- George
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Is John Collin’s value higher than last year. I understand people saying we bought low on Collins because his price before trade seemed higher but I’d argue his value currently is lower (we’d have to add something to dump him) so I’d say we bought high on Collins.

Like if a stock goes from 30 to 25 and you buy it at 25 but now it’s worth 20… can you keep saying you bought low?
 
George W said:
This is a big offseason for the FO. We are two years out from the infamous summer of 2022, when we jettisoned Mitchell and Gobert.
- we were surprisingly still pretty good, made trades too late and missed out on Wemby. Still, we came away with George, Sensy and Hendricks. I guess we'll see
- we bought low on Collins, and now some salary is tied up. It'll be fine
- we continue to trade middling players for as many draft assets as possible (Ochai, Olynyk, Fontecchio).

We have picks 10, 29, and 32. Not amazing -- but we have more assets moving forward. The question becomes who is on the market, who pairs well with Lauri (our main priority), and when should the trade be made. Time will tell.

- George
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thanks for that big fat nothing burger George
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Is John Collin’s value higher than last year. I understand people saying we bought low on Collins because his price before trade seemed higher but I’d argue his value currently is lower (we’d have to add something to dump him) so I’d say we bought high on Collins.

Like if a stock goes from 30 to 25 and you buy it at 25 but now it’s worth 20… can you keep saying you bought low?
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His stock is probably slightly higher. It helped Atlanta didn't flourish after trading him
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
His stock is probably slightly higher. It helped Atlanta didn't flourish after trading him
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This.
I would say his stock is slightly higher

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Is John Collin’s value higher than last year. I understand people saying we bought low on Collins because his price before trade seemed higher but I’d argue his value currently is lower (we’d have to add something to dump him) so I’d say we bought high on Collins.

Like if a stock goes from 30 to 25 and you buy it at 25 but now it’s worth 20… can you keep saying you bought low?
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One year off his contract, he played really well since the start of 2024. I'd say he's in a better spot, does not mean there are the same amount of buyers. But it only takes one.....we were probably the only one last year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
His stock is probably slightly higher. It helped Atlanta didn't flourish after trading him
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John Collins proved that he can be effective without an All-Star PG setting him up. And that he can play as a center in some lineups. I think he is now regarded as a more versatile and mature player than a year ago.
 
KqWIN said:
One year off his contract, he played really well since the start of 2024. I'd say he's in a better spot, does not mean there are the same amount of buyers. But it only takes one.....we were probably the only one last year.
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So if we wanted to move him into someone’s cap space… would we need to give up an additional asset? I think the answer is almost certainly yes… so did we buy low?









Spoiler… we did not.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
His stock is probably slightly higher. It helped Atlanta didn't flourish after trading him
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Nah. The only real increases in value are that one year dropped off the deal and his shooting recovered from his all time low. The problem is there still is not a buyer that would accept the price we paid. So we did not buy low. We bought lower than the all time high… but if we can’t sell him for the price we bought him right now then either his value did not actually increase or we bought a bit too high.

If you think someone will just take him into cap space without being incentivized I think it’s extremely wishful thinking. And his 28M deal is what stands between us extending Lauri AND using significant FA space or having to chose between the two basically.
 
If Collins was a stock all the numbers would seem to indicate that the market price should be higher but it won’t be. It’s not terrible deal… like I think you could send out one of our picks with John and get out of it… but is that what we want to be doing? I don’t know that we NEED space so it’s not the end of the world but the Collins trade has proven to be a pretty expensive *** “free” player.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Collins was a stock all the numbers would seem to indicate that the market price should be higher but it won’t be. It’s not terrible deal… like I think you could send out one of our picks with John and get out of it… but is that what we want to be doing? I don’t know that we NEED space so it’s not the end of the world but the Collins trade has proven to be a pretty expensive *** “free” player.
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Correct me if I am wrong but I think that Colling can become a hot commodity at the next season's trade deadline. Another team can shed their salary by trading someone expensive for the Collins' 25 million contract and then give him a multi-year extension for way less money annually (Collins will waive his player option for the 25-26 in exchange for an extension). So, they gain a useful, versatile rotation player and shed some dead weight in contracts. The Jazz may even get a late first-rounder for doing that - depending how desperate the trading partner is.
 
jazznik said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I think that Colling can become a hot commodity at the next season's trade deadline. Another team can shed their salary by trading someone expensive for the Collins' 25 million contract and then give him a multi-year extension for way less money annually (Collins will waive his player option for the 25-26 in exchange for an extension). So, they gain a useful, versatile rotation player and shed some dead weight in contracts. The Jazz may even get a late first-rounder for doing that - depending how desperate the trading partner is.
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Hot commodity? Nah. Will he be as valuable as Bruce Brown was this year? Not quite. And that’s part of the issue with the suggested line of thinking… we invest 2 years and 28M in cap space two years in a row to end up with an expiring we hope to use in a trade? That’s just not a good use of resources. As of right now though the best plan is just to ride it out.
 
I think Ainge is targeting young players who had bad years in hopes that they are undervalued and can really improve. Sometimes it works (Lauri, Sexton), sometimes it really doesn't (THT) and sometimes they show some improvements but nothing special (Collins). It's just a way to invest the cap space of a rebuilding team for profit. I am OK with that.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Is John Collin’s value higher than last year. I understand people saying we bought low on Collins because his price before trade seemed higher but I’d argue his value currently is lower (we’d have to add something to dump him) so I’d say we bought high on Collins.

Like if a stock goes from 30 to 25 and you buy it at 25 but now it’s worth 20… can you keep saying you bought low?
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I'd say the stock went from 50 to 10 and we bought at 20. It went lower, the 10 point further loss is not going to significantly alter the future trajectory of this team. We bought low (buying high would be paying what Atlanta wanted the previous deadline), and a team taking him off the scrap heaps would be buying even lower. I think as a team (even if tanking) it's important to make some moves for the fans, and this one isn't as consequential for the future of the team as some of us make it out to be. He'll be some nice salary to send back with picks if someone is fire-saleing

- George W
 
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