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LogGrad98 said:
Buck has expressed that he is, albeit somewhat grudgingly, not voting for Trump. But it is kind of hard to nail him down on much in the way of criticism of Trump. Not sure where he really stands on that.
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So if he is voting for Kamala why keep complaining about her here not stop? In a kingdom of blind even one eyed is perfectly suited to be a king.
 
MVP said:
That did not answer my question. Seems like you somehow think Trump is better by posting all these anti Kamala posts. If so please elaborate how this stupid ( literally) narcissistic, demented sexual predator is a better choice? Or better, just answer are you voting Trump or Kamala?
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Why do I need to post about Trump when there is about 15 posters letting us know everything about what he does or doesn’t do, say or doesn’t say, bangs or doesn’t bang.

Do you see me posing anti Pete or Bashear or Shapiro posts? Do you even see me post negatively against Biden? Nope.

You guys can post how terrible Trump is any time you want with no pushback, which I do not pushback either; yet I post how terrible Kamala is and how she is the worse choice the Democrats can choose and everyone takes me as a Trump supporter.

What do you mean I think Trump is better?
Do I think Trump would be a better leader than Kamala? Hell YES!
Do I think Trump is more genuine and real? Hell YES!
Do I think Trump knows more about the topics when discussing them? Hell YES! (Even though I think Kamala is a better speaker by far, I just think she doesn't have any depth on the Topic)
Do I think Trump will beat Kamala? YES! But Vance can ruin it for Trump.

With that said I don’t believe either is a better choice.

Am I voting for him? Like I said multiple times, I will be voting for RFK. Why do I have to pigeonhole myself into voting for either of the 2 party candidates.
You can hate RFK for some of his stances, I don’t care, still better than the other 2 options. I wanted my Governor to be the candidate but that didn’t happen.

If Kamala wins my life isn’t over or changes much. If Trump wins my life isn’t over or changes much.

Again Kamala is the bench for the Democrats and if you’re happy with the bench, vote for her. If Trump wins, I just don’t want to hear from the posters here, who were okay with the Democrat overlords that got to choose your candidate for you. To hell with the people and their wants. Democracy. Most posters here say they are an anti-Trump vote, but if Desantis was the candidate, they would still be voting for Kamala. (Not you FIsh, you wouldn’t Vote).
 
LogGrad98 said:
Buck has expressed that he is, albeit somewhat grudgingly, not voting for Trump. But it is kind of hard to nail him down on much in the way of criticism of Trump. Not sure where he really stands on that.
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Which criticism’s of Trump would you like to know where I stand?
 
MVP said:
So if he is voting for Kamala why keep complaining about her here not stop? In a kingdom of blind even one eyed is perfectly suited to be a king.
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Not voting for her. Why can others complain about RFK or Trump non stop here, yet they get triggered when someone criticizes their choice?

Critize RFK…it’s the same couple points, Anti-Vax, CIA conspiracies or other conspiracies, I don’t care. I would take him over Kamala or Trump right now.
 
Bucknutz said:
Do I think Trump would be a better leader than Kamala? Hell YES!
Do I think Trump is more genuine and real? Hell YES!
Do I think Trump knows more about the topics when discussing them? Hell YES! (Even though I think Kamala is a better speaker by far, I just think she doesn't have any depth on the Topic)
Do I think Trump will beat Kamala? YES! But Vance can ruin it for Trump.
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Sorry but I can't take anybody seriously who thinks Trump is genuine and real and knows more about topics when discussing them. Unbelievable that you truly believe that.
 
MVP said:
Sorry but I can't take anybody seriously who thinks Trump is genuine and real and knows more about topics when discussing them. Unbelievable that you truly believe that.
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That’s fine you don’t have to take me serious.

Trump is genuine and real:

View: https://x.com/JoeDanMedia/status/1814812770686103615



Kamala is not genuine:

View: https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1815818534200697037


This is the same argument made with Romney and Obama…Romney was a robot, not genuine, stiff. Obama, I would have a beer with.

Kamala would just laugh nervously because she wouldn’t know what to say. Trump would just talk about anything without a filter.
 
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Bucknutz said:
So It’s okay for you to criticize RFK and Trump but Kamala is off the table for me and others because she the Democrat nominee?
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I've criticized her plenty. You can criticize all you want. It was just noted that we haven't seen any criticism of Trump from you. If anyone is being one sided in this discussion, it's you. Pick anything you don't like about Trump. Anything at all. I think we be curious to hear what you think on the matter.
 
Bucknutz said:
That’s fine you don’t have to take me serious.

Trump is genuine and real:

View: https://x.com/JoeDanMedia/status/1814812770686103615



Kamala is not genuine:

View: https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1815818534200697037


This is the same argument made with Romney and Obama…Romney was a robot, not genuine, stiff. Obama, I would have a beer with.

Kamala would just laugh nervously because she wouldn’t know what to say. Trump would just talk about anything without a filter.
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I'll freely admit that Trump has charisma. I'd never vote for his stupid ***. He's genuinely entertaining and funny until he's the president. Is he real? what does that even mean? Yeah I guess.

Kamala is cringe but IDGAF about that. I have big criticisms of Momala, Israel support, her record as a prosecutor, her not seeming to have strong ideological convictions vs what she thinks is politically advantageous. Not my first pick, but I don't get to pick because we don't live in a democracy. All of that aside:

Kamala > RFK Jr. > Trump.

I err on the side of defending her because I want her to win and I think more people should vote for her than the other guys.
 
Trump isn't real (he lies more than anyone and is a notorious cheater)) and doesn't know what the **** he is talking about most of the time.
He doesn't even have charisma/charm. He is an annoying narcissist

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fishonjazz said:
Trump isn't real (he lies more than anyone and is a notorious cheater)) and doesn't know what the **** he is talking about most of the time.
He doesn't even have charisma/charm. He is an annoying narcissist

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What fish said. Annoying is too nice to describe it. He is pathologic, evil, dumb narcissist.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I've criticized her plenty. You can criticize all you want. It was just noted that we haven't seen any criticism of Trump from you. If anyone is being one sided in this discussion, it's you. Pick anything you don't like about Trump. Anything at all. I think we be curious to hear what you think on the matter.
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Objectively,

Things I have issues with:
Many issues with Staff decisions. (Steve Bannon etc)
No filter on topics or people. Sometimes it’s funny but most of the time it’s not or inappropriate. ( John McCain)
Some of his Businesses were scams. (School)
You have to be loyal to him no matter what, he is easily hurt if you say something critical with him. (Nikki Haley, Mark Esper)
Lies about things that don’t look great to him. (Size of his crowd at inauguration, hurricanes)
Nepotism
Government shutdowns
Impeachment’s
Issues with Election integrity

Things that people say that is wrong with him and his actions that I don't care about:
Multiple divorces
Cheating
Small vocabulary
**** hole countries

Lots of criticisms were hoax’s.
Stick flashlights up your ***
Very Fine people
Russiagate - his connections not what they found on other people on his team

Still don’t have a firm opinion on J6 and how much was his real influence. Transparency here is I really haven’t looked it up or researched it much. I really don’t believe much the media says on things, so before I can give you a full answer on this, I need a deeper understanding.
 
Bucknutz said:
Objectively,

Things I have issues with:
Many issues with Staff decisions. (Steve Bannon etc)
No filter on topics or people. Sometimes it’s funny but most of the time it’s not or inappropriate. ( John McCain)
Some of his Businesses were scams. (School)
You have to be loyal to him no matter what, he is easily hurt if you say something critical with him. (Nikki Haley, Mark Esper)
Lies about things that don’t look great to him. (Size of his crowd at inauguration, hurricanes)
Nepotism
Government shutdowns
Impeachment’s
Issues with Election integrity

Things that people say that is wrong with him and his actions that I don't care about:
Multiple divorces
Cheating
Small vocabulary
**** hole countries

Lots of criticisms were hoax’s.
Stick flashlights up your ***
Very Fine people
Russiagate - his connections not what they found on other people on his team

Still don’t have a firm opinion on J6 and how much was his real influence. Transparency here is I really haven’t looked it up or researched it much. I really don’t believe much the media says on things, so before I can give you a full answer on this, I need a deeper understanding.
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I can help you on the last one.

If trump accepted his defeat does January 6th happen?
January 6th 100% has to be owned by trump.

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Bucknutz said:
Still don’t have a firm opinion on J6 and how much was his real influence. Transparency here is I really haven’t looked it up or researched it much. I really don’t believe much the media says on things, so before I can give you a full answer on this, I need a deeper understanding.
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I don't have direct links to anything but I did listen to some of the hearings and I heard a summary of it with audio from the hearings and other direct statements from people involved.

I understand it wouldn't have been hard to convince me, but the info I got from all that was much more than I was expecting. For instance, they (people working close to Trump in the White House) were openly talking about a "big event" happening on Jan. 6th. In online chat groups with for the Proud Boys etc, they were hyping it up and many of the people in charge of those chat rooms and in charge of those groups had texts between them and people in the White House exposed. There was A LOT of coordination between these groups and the White House. There was testimony from people in the white house who were raising the alarm and saying that they needed to do something to cool this off because "someone might get hurt". Those pleas were strongly rejected, not that someone might get hurt, but the idea that they might want to cool things off, by most of the people involved in the WH. There were chats where specifics of what they were going to try to do were discussed.

Anyway, I know I was impressed by the info. Sorry that I don't have a bunch of links, I don't expect my post to change your mind or anyone else's, just wanted to say that the evidence exists and it's very strong. The White House was involved in planning Jan. 6th. It was not a spontaneous thing. It was planned and it was planned by the White House.
 
fishonjazz said:
I can help you on the last one.

If trump accepted his defeat does January 6th happen?
January 6th 100% has to be owned by trump.

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I get what you’re saying, I really do. If you are the leader of the party, or business, you are responsible for anything that happens, if you intend to do it or not.

Then you see videos of unique and interesting things that were happening that day and in the back of my mind, I’m thinking not everything here is adding up.

That’s where I left it.
 
Sardines said:
I don't have direct links to anything but I did listen to some of the hearings and I heard a summary of it with audio from the hearings and other direct statements from people involved.

I understand it wouldn't have been hard to convince me, but the info I got from all that was much more than I was expecting. For instance, they (people working close to Trump in the White House) were openly talking about a "big event" happening on Jan. 6th. In online chat groups with for the Proud Boys etc, they were hyping it up and many of the people in charge of those chat rooms and in charge of those groups had texts between them and people in the White House exposed. There was A LOT of coordination between these groups and the White House. There was testimony from people in the white house who were raising the alarm and saying that they needed to do something to cool this off because "someone might get hurt". Those pleas were strongly rejected, not that someone might get hurt, but the idea that they might want to cool things off, by most of the people involved in the WH. There were chats where specifics of what they were going to try to do were discussed.

Anyway, I know I was impressed by the info. Sorry that I don't have a bunch of links, I don't expect my post to change your mind or anyone else's, just wanted to say that the evidence exists and it's very strong. The White House was involved in planning Jan. 6th. It was not a spontaneous thing. It was planned and it was planned by the White House.
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Imo it doesn't matter who coordinated it.

Trump yelled about how this was the most fraud in election history for months. Had people giving him money to "stop the steal" (this money of course was really for nothing more than trumps bank account). Telling pence not to certify the vote due to all the fraud. All while presenting no evidence and losing in court over 60 times.

When you have such a devoted flock and you rile them up and get them as mad as possible and then give a speech and tell that riled up angry mob to march on the Capitol and fight or you won't have a country anymore then you are responsible.

To top it off you just kick back and watch the carnage and do nothing to stop it. Then once law enforcement has it under control and trump sees that it isn't going to work he conveniently comes out of hiding and tells them to go home in a 1 minute long speech (1 minute from a guy who normally rambles for hours) 40 seconds of which trump did nothing more than offer sympathy to the rioters.

He also suggested later in the day that the invasion of the Capitol by his supporters was a natural consequence of his victory being "stripped away." Officials have found no evidence of widespread fraud and dozens of lawsuits aimed at flipping the results have failed in court. Not to mention all the audits and recounts.

We need to never forget or forgive his punk *** for how he handled his election loss and how he still speaks of that loss to this day. **** trump for that ****. Makes me very angry.

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Bucknutz said:
I get what you’re saying, I really do. If you are the leader of the party, or business, you are responsible for anything that happens, if you intend to do it or not.

Then you see videos of unique and interesting things that were happening that day and in the back of my mind, I’m thinking not everything here is adding up.

That’s where I left it.
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Those unique and interesting things happening don't mean all the other **** didn't happen.

For example, because some cops let some rioters into the building doesn't mean that other cops weren't violently assaulted by other rioters.

Because some people were peacefully protesting and some were simply trespassing doesn't mean others weren't hitting cops with weapons and breaking down doors and busting windows and chanting hang pence compete with a gallows.

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