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Kamala Harris for Pres

fishonjazz said:
One thing I would love from candidates is admitting they were wrong/made a mistake.

Like if they ask Kamala about the border it would be nice to hear an answer like "I made plenty of mistakes with the border and did a poor job. I like to think I learned a lot from those mistakes and think I will do better going forward"

Or if they ask trump about how he handled the pandemic and he answered in a similar vein rather than I just braggadocio about how he did the best any one has ever done or whatever.

A little humility would impress me.

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I was just saying this same thing to my wife, I don't understand why it is not politically ok to admit a mistake. These guys are obviously coached not to do it, but I'm not sure why. Personally I would see them more positively.
 
I thought Harris was composed, but sounded like a politician. I mostly enjoyed watching her facial expressions as Trump talked crazy.

Trump seemed like he was trying to be more reserved at first, but then went off the rails. I think he had the strongest talking point, i.e. why is Harris not currently doing the things she is talking about.
 
As I said I only watched about the first 20 minutes and I thought they both did pretty well in that portion I saw. I expected both to do worse than they did.
I think that all the talking in front of crowds/cameras that trump has done his entire life definitely helps him. He doesn't have any nerves at all in front of a camera and it shows. He seems comfortable and in his element which makes sense due to so much experience in that kind of setting. He impressed me from what I watched.
Kamala also seemed sharp and well spoken and impressed me though I don't think she has the same comfort level that trump has.

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As a neutral I thought Trump kept pounding Kamala on the immigration issues and he did a good job of that.

Why does she wanna let so many migrants in?

She should change her stance on that.
 
The Midnight said:
As a neutral I thought Trump kept pounding Kamala on the immigration issues and he did a good job of that.

Why does she wanna let so many migrants in?

She should change her stance on that.
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Because immigrants are amazing workers, job creators, and keep crime low. I’m far more concerned with poor uneducated whites who blame everyone else but themselves for their crappy lives than immigrants. Perhaps poor whites should stop sucking gun barrels, booze bottles and drugs all day and learn some work ethic from immigrants?


View: https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1833594196630114747?s=46
 
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I thought Harris sounded presidential. Trump ranted like a crazy person about immigrants eating animals, overt racism, endless ranting about how awesome Jan 6 was, and how he’d surrender Ukraine to Putin. Sooooo probably nothing will change in the polling since nearly half our country is bored with peace and prosperity and find meaning and entertainment with lighting this country on fire with a fascist.

No one and I repeat, no one would allow a family member to sound like Trump. You wouldn’t work for someone like him. If a family member sounded like him, you’d be looking for a home for him.
 
I just want to add because over the last 10 years it seems a lot of you have forgotten basic economics, you could have more American made stuff. Just be prepared to pay for it. Americans love to bitch about all those ****** factory jobs disappearing. The same jobs your parents and grandparents hated and hoped you’d never do. But they also love the cheap foreign made stuff they buy all over Walmart, Best Buy, and Amazon.

Remember, American access to cheap goods lets your dollar purchase a lot more than if the goods were made domestically.

Economics 101

If you want to pay a lot more for stuff and see your purchasing power decline:
1. Raise tariffs
2. Deport workers who do jobs you’d never do at salaries you’d never accept.

Enjoy! My wife and I make good money in well insulated white collar professions, so we’ll be fine. We’ve both worked hard to obtain the education and credentials to be marketable. We didn’t just sit on our asses waiting for a strongman to fix our problems or drink our problems away. So we’ll be fine economically in the next four years regardless of who is president. But a lot of you “forgotten men” might have a little more difficult time. But hey, this is what you voted for if you vote for Trump!
 
silesian said:
Not picking on you but you should read more 20th century us history. Fiscal conservatism has roots back to the 1930s. Related, economic liberalism goes back to Adam Smith.
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Not to pull you up but its not fiscal conservatism its neo-liberalism, their was this little event in the late 20 called the great depression which was called the great depression because of a number of smaller less great depression that had preceded it. What the great depression effectively did was discredit liberalism as working economic idiom. Abandoning liberalism for Keynesian economics lead to what has been called the golden age of capitalism, it was called this because throughout the global west all citizens experienced significant increases in leisure time and living standards.

One of the particular features of liberalism was that the wealthy elite would actually benefit from economic instability, it would actually allow them to increase and further consolidate their wealth. It was in their class interest to continue the ideas of economic liberalism, which they did through well funded think tanks like the Mont Pelerin Society and economists like Friedman and Hayek Now the real triumph of economic liberalism is that it has to be the first time in human history where one failed idiom (Keynesianism) has been replaced by another already known to be failed idiom (Liberalism). Extraordinary, does it happen if it isn't in the class interests of the most powerful members of the society?
 
Former President Donald Trump delivered more than 30 false claims during Tuesday’s presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris.
Trump again delivered a staggering quantity and variety of false claims, some of which were egregious lies about topics including abortion, immigration and the economy.

Harris was far more accurate than Trump as the Vice President delivered just one false claim, though she also added some claims that were misleading or lacking in key context.

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fishonjazz said:
Former President Donald Trump delivered more than 30 false claims during Tuesday’s presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris.
Trump again delivered a staggering quantity and variety of false claims, some of which were egregious lies about topics including abortion, immigration and the economy.

Harris was far more accurate than Trump as the Vice President delivered just one false claim, though she also added some claims that were misleading or lacking in key context.

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So, you're saying Trump won! Yes, always the winner!

My favorite part of Trump's platform is uncovering the leftist conspiracy to abort anyone up to the age of 18. They're doing it now!!
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I thought Harris was composed, but sounded like a politician. I mostly enjoyed watching her facial expressions as Trump talked crazy.

Trump seemed like he was trying to be more reserved at first, but then went off the rails. I think he had the strongest talking point, i.e. why is Harris not currently doing the things she is talking about.
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That debate was awful for Trump. He has the high ground in many areas and either the moderators wouldn't bring up those areas or Kamala replied to the question with a non-answer mini-speech that included a personal dig at Trump. Every time that happened, Trump would take the bait.

Moderators: Kamala, in the past you said thing. Now you say different thing. Why?

Kamala: Trump's rallies are long and boring. People are walking out of them.

Trump: My rallies are great, the best ever. A rally expert who was really smart said my rally was the best he'd ever seen.

I agree with you that Trump's closing comments about why Kamala hasn't done the things she's talking about was strong, but nobody watched it. People tune out after the first 20 minutes. He should have been hammering that all debate long. He should have replaced every rant he made against immigration with that argument of Kamala not doing the things she was talking about. It was a bad performance by Trump.
 
The Midnight said:
As a neutral I thought Trump kept pounding Kamala on the immigration issues and he did a good job of that.

Why does she wanna let so many migrants in?

She should change her stance on that.
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He did a good job of lying about it. You seem to be one of those who will believe it if you hear it often enough. That's what he's banking on.
 
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