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LogGrad98 said:
He did a good job of lying about it. You seem to be one of those who will believe it if you hear it often enough. That's what he's banking on.
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Nah I don’t think she denied letting migrants in or even try to.

Seems like it’s obviously part of her policy.

Which could lose her the election.. lol..

What a dumb move imo.
 
The Midnight said:
Nah I don’t think she denied letting migrants in or even try to.

Seems like it’s obviously part of her policy.

Which could lose her the election.. lol..

What a dumb move imo.
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You haven't looked into the issue beyond the debate obviously. Do some googling and then get back to us.
 
The Midnight said:
As a neutral I thought Trump kept pounding Kamala on the immigration issues and he did a good job of that.

Why does she wanna let so many migrants in?

She should change her stance on that.
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The Midnight said:
Nah I don’t think she denied letting migrants in or even try to.

Seems like it’s obviously part of her policy.

Which could lose her the election.. lol..

What a dumb move imo.
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1. What migrant crisis? Don't buy in to manufactured outrage.

2. Despite there being no crisis, she's actively proposing to fix the "crisis" with strong border policy legislation.

What else do you want?
 
Rubashov said:
Not to pull you up but its not fiscal conservatism its neo-liberalism, their was this little event in the late 20 called the great depression which was called the great depression because of a number of smaller less great depression that had preceded it. What the great depression effectively did was discredit liberalism as working economic idiom. Abandoning liberalism for Keynesian economics lead to what has been called the golden age of capitalism, it was called this because throughout the global west all citizens experienced significant increases in leisure time and living standards.

One of the particular features of liberalism was that the wealthy elite would actually benefit from economic instability, it would actually allow them to increase and further consolidate their wealth. It was in their class interest to continue the ideas of economic liberalism, which they did through well funded think tanks like the Mont Pelerin Society and economists like Friedman and Hayek Now the real triumph of economic liberalism is that it has to be the first time in human history where one failed idiom (Keynesianism) has been replaced by another already known to be failed idiom (Liberalism). Extraordinary, does it happen if it isn't in the class interests of the most powerful members of the society?
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You seem to be overlooking the fact that neoliberalism has its roots in classical liberalism. History is an arc, things do not appear from nothingness.

While the term fiscal conservatism was coined in the 1930s, the ideas precede the term.

but even if we are discussing only semantics, your original implications that fiscal conservatism emerged in the Reagan era is erroneous.
 
Safetydan said:
she's actively proposing to fix the "crisis" with strong border policy legislation.

What else do you want?
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To actually fix the crisis. The laws are already existing that make it illegal to cross into the United States outside of a designated border crossing and we already have a funded law enforcement organization set up to enforce those laws. Biden and Harris have everything they need. Proposing legislation (the job of a different branch of government) is blame-casting for choosing not to do the job that is within their power to do.
 
The Midnight said:
Nah I don’t think she denied letting migrants in or even try to.

Seems like it’s obviously part of her policy.

Which could lose her the election.. lol..

What a dumb move imo.
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Is this the part where we talk about GOP backing away from legislation they negotiated because Trump and that ICE is deporting/arrest record numbers of illegal immigrants? Because if so, I'll copy/paste the usual stuff.

tl;dr: Stop buying the ******** about an immigrant crisis. It's a classic GOP talking point that's inane.
 
silesian said:
You seem to be overlooking the fact that neoliberalism has its roots in classical liberalism. History is an arc, things do not appear from nothingness.

While the term fiscal conservatism was coined in the 1930s, the ideas precede the term.

but even if we are discussing only semantics, your original implications that fiscal conservatism emerged in the Reagan era is erroneous.
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It became a thing in the real world during that period. Before that its was just the dream of a group of elites, people horrified by seeing poor people enjoying their lives. Reagan and Thatcher are genuinely the scum of the earth.
 
The Midnight said:
Nah I don’t think she denied letting migrants in or even try to.

Seems like it’s obviously part of her policy.

Which could lose her the election.. lol..

What a dumb move imo.
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Just some info for you:

Former President Donald Trump claimed during Tuesday night’s debate that “21 million people” are crossing the border MONTHLY into the United States under President Joe Biden.

This number is false. The total number of “encounters” at the northern and southern borders from February 2021 through July 2024, at both legal ports of entry and in between those ports, was roughly 10 million.

So trump says 21 million per month. Actual number is 10 million over 4 years. See how he lies and people believe him? Also An “encounter” does not mean a person was let into the country; some people encountered are promptly sent away.

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Safetydan said:
1. What migrant crisis? Don't buy in to manufactured outrage.

2. Despite there being no crisis, she's actively proposing to fix the "crisis" with strong border policy legislation.

What else do you want?
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He sucked you in again. He'll be laughing his arse off grooming under-age girls online, celebrating getting you back on the hook.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That debate was awful for Trump. He has the high ground in many areas and either the moderators wouldn't bring up those areas or Kamala replied to the question with a non-answer mini-speech that included a personal dig at Trump. Every time that happened, Trump would take the bait.

Moderators: Kamala, in the past you said thing. Now you say different thing. Why?

Kamala: Trump's rallies are long and boring. People are walking out of them.

Trump: My rallies are great, the best ever. A rally expert who was really smart said my rally was the best he'd ever seen.

I agree with you that Trump's closing comments about why Kamala hasn't done the things she's talking about was strong, but nobody watched it. People tune out after the first 20 minutes. He should have been hammering that all debate long. He should have replaced every rant he made against immigration with that argument of Kamala not doing the things she was talking about. It was a bad performance by Trump.
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It is disturbing how easily manipulated he was.
 
Also trump: “I had no inflation, virtually no inflation,” Trump said.

This is false. Cumulative inflation over the course of Trump’s presidency was about 7.8%.

Also trump: “We have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums,” Trump claimed.

There is no evidence for Trump’s claim.
Representatives for two anti-immigration organizations said last year they had not heard of anything that would corroborate Trump’s story, as did three experts at organizations favorable toward immigration.

Trump has sometimes tried to support his claim by making another claim that the global prison population is down. But that’s wrong, too. The recorded global prison population increased from October 2021 to April 2024, from about 10.77 million people to about 10.99 million people, according to the World Prison Population List compiled by experts in the United Kingdom.


Also trump: “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs. The people that came in, they’re eating the cats,” Trump said. “They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

This is false. The City of Springfield and the local police have said they have seen no evidence for the claim – which appeared to originate from a Facebook post in which someone purporting to be a local resident passed along what they said was a story about their neighbor’s daughter’s friend.
on Monday a spokesperson for the City of Springfield said “there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.”
The Springfield News-Sun reported that “the Springfield Police Division said Monday morning they have received ZERO reports related to pets being stolen and eaten.”


Also trump: Former President Donald Trump said Tuesday the United States took in billions of dollars from China as a result of his tariffs.

Trump’s claim about how tariffs work is false. A US tariff is paid by importing businesses in the United States – not other countries – when a foreign-made good arrives at the American border.

Here’s how tariffs work: When the United States puts a tariff on an imported good, the cost of the tariff usually comes directly out of the bank account of an American importer.

Study after study, including one from the federal government’s bipartisan US International Trade Commission, have found that Americans have borne almost the entire cost of Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products.

It’s true that the US Treasury has collected more than $242 billion from the tariffs Trump imposed on imported solar panels, steel and aluminum, and Chinese-made goods – but those duties were paid by US importers, not the country of China.



And on and on and on. If I were to go through all his lies I would get nothing done today.

Everyone needs to remember that when trump is speaking he is lying.

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fishonjazz said:
Also trump: “I had no inflation, virtually no inflation,” Trump said.

This is false. Cumulative inflation over the course of Trump’s presidency was about 7.8%.

Also trump: “We have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums,” Trump claimed.

There is no evidence for Trump’s claim.
Representatives for two anti-immigration organizations said last year they had not heard of anything that would corroborate Trump’s story, as did three experts at organizations favorable toward immigration.

Trump has sometimes tried to support his claim by making another claim that the global prison population is down. But that’s wrong, too. The recorded global prison population increased from October 2021 to April 2024, from about 10.77 million people to about 10.99 million people, according to the World Prison Population List compiled by experts in the United Kingdom.


Also trump: “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs. The people that came in, they’re eating the cats,” Trump said. “They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

This is false. The City of Springfield and the local police have said they have seen no evidence for the claim – which appeared to originate from a Facebook post in which someone purporting to be a local resident passed along what they said was a story about their neighbor’s daughter’s friend.
on Monday a spokesperson for the City of Springfield said “there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.”
The Springfield News-Sun reported that “the Springfield Police Division said Monday morning they have received ZERO reports related to pets being stolen and eaten.”


Also trump: Former President Donald Trump said Tuesday the United States took in billions of dollars from China as a result of his tariffs.

Trump’s claim about how tariffs work is false. A US tariff is paid by importing businesses in the United States – not other countries – when a foreign-made good arrives at the American border.

Here’s how tariffs work: When the United States puts a tariff on an imported good, the cost of the tariff usually comes directly out of the bank account of an American importer.

Study after study, including one from the federal government’s bipartisan US International Trade Commission, have found that Americans have borne almost the entire cost of Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products.

It’s true that the US Treasury has collected more than $242 billion from the tariffs Trump imposed on imported solar panels, steel and aluminum, and Chinese-made goods – but those duties were paid by US importers, not the country of China.



And on and on and on. If I were to go through all his lies I would get nothing done today.

Everyone needs to remember that when trump is speaking he is lying.

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Fish dropping the truth. Preach Brother Fish, preach.
 
MT Steve said:
It is disturbing how easily manipulated he was.
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A few times I could see the surprised glee that Harris had when trump ate the hook, line and sinker she had laid out for him. I'm sure she had many many practice sessions with the explicit goal to goad Trump into doing what Trump was apparently all too eager to do with minimal prompting.
 
After the Biden debate it took the better part of a week before the polls started to reflect the new reality. This debate will not have as big an affect on the race as that debate had, but this was a solid win for Harris.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Is this the part where we talk about GOP backing away from legislation they negotiated because Trump and that ICE is deporting/arrest record numbers of illegal immigrants? Because if so, I'll copy/paste the usual stuff.

tl;dr: Stop buying the ******** about an immigrant crisis. It's a classic GOP talking point that's inane.
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I can understand why half the country prefers Harris over Trump; however, saying that there is not a major immigration problem in our country is a completely false claim.
 
default said:
I can understand why half the country prefers Harris over Trump; however, saying that there is not a major immigration problem in our country is a completely false claim.
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Agreed.

Though I can not understand why half the country prefers trump over Harris other than simply because he has an R next to his name

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default said:
I can understand why half the country prefers Harris over Trump; however, saying that there is not a major immigration problem in our country is a completely false claim.
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I would say that we have an immigration problem, not a major immigration problem. For instance, I can't think of a single way in which illegal immigration has had a negative impact on my day-to-day life. I can't think of any solid examples of how our nation is being harmed, other than there are people here who many people wish were not here. That seems to be the most significant effect of this supposed "major" problem.
 
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