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Just realized I like jazzfanz way more on the actual web browser vs tapatalk. I usually use tapatalk because its way faster and easier to use but I think this discussion has convinced me to delete tapatalk and just use the browser.
 
All of this considered, It sure must be hard running as a democrat for president. They're visibly walking a tight-rope out there all the time. This is why somebody who isn't the best on their feet, like Kamala, struggles to speak off the cuff.
One silver lining of a trump win is that if kamala were to win then she would be the auto nominee next go around (as the incumbent) and that is no bueno.
trump wins and maybe the democratic candidate is Mayor Pete (my dream choice) or someone much better than kamala next time around.
 
One silver lining of a trump win is that if kamala were to win then she would be the auto nominee next go around (as the incumbent) and that is no bueno.
trump wins and maybe the democratic candidate is Mayor Pete (my dream choice) or someone next time around.
Plus I think this Trump term would dispel any illusions people still have about Trump being some great deal maker, international peace maker, freedom lover, and economist.
 
Plus I think this Trump term would dispel any illusions people still have about Trump being some great deal maker, international peace maker, freedom lover, and economist.
I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" ;) (in response to your earlier post)
 
I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" ;) (in response to your earlier post)

I'm curious what her response will be. Hit her with it.
 
Plus I think this Trump term would dispel any illusions people still have about Trump being some great deal maker, international peace maker, freedom lover, and economist.
All he needs to continue being is a demagogue. That will keep him in a position of power over the cult. And they will believe anything he tells them. Won't matter what his actual results are. Just matters that he keeps his base riled up and gives them a target for their hate and continues pushing the big lies. Why should he stop doing what obviously works?
 
I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" ;) (in response to your earlier post)
I’m pretty sure our service members were happy they’d be getting out of Afghanistan and I’m pretty sure many minorities and 30,000 inmates total so far are happy to be getting out of jail due to the step act. I’m also pretty sure 7 million people were happy about having new jobs. I’m pretty sure most people felt more secure when they had strategic oil reserves and energy independence. I’m pretty sure people also felt more secure when they didn’t have record illegal immigration numbers flowing into the country. I’m pretty sure people felt more secure without the constant threat of nuclear war! The list is pretty long, I could go on… it wasn’t just the economy, but that has certainly hit everyone pretty hard since Trump left office.
 
What does this mean?

Who is the pissed off daddy?

What does it mean to spank a country? Imprison political opponents? Threaten and intimidate the media? Pack the courts with judges who’ll enable your criming? Deport millions of Americans? Gas dissidents?

Who will be spanked?

Imagine if Obama or email lady or one of their major supporters talked like this.

Btw, is this conservative? What’s small government about a dictator torturing and punishing his country? It sure would be nice if some of our non MAGA conservatives would speak out over this. Where are their principles?


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I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" ;) (in response to your earlier post)
Was stuff not cheap under Obama?
 
They will not acknowledge the real reason on why this is happening. I know you and I know this, but they don't care to know, can't use critical thinking skills or spend a small amount of time to research it. The funny thing is, it's not a right or left wing issue in Florida. All parents of all different politics are standing up for against books they dont want to see in their kids classrooms. There is a process for this as well. You can't have a conversation about this here either, they will just call you MAGA and anti-gay.
Ah, bull****….I’ve raised the subject of education in America, including in higher education, many times here. It isn’t just about pornography. And it isn’t just secondary education.

And, BTW, one of the top ten enemies of “critical thinking skills”, in the public arena, is Ron DeSantis. And of course Trump, who invented an entire fictional history of the past several years, is the greatest enemy of critical thinking skills in the entire nation!!

Does critical thinking leads us to accept Trump’s version of American history?? Is the United States “a garbage can”?

Hell, the entire MAGA movement is replete with Americans exhibiting the Dunning-Kruger Effect, the exact opposite of using the discriminating component of one’s mind. The exact opposite of critical thinking!!

The last thing Donald Trump wants is people using their minds in a rational manner! That’s why he said “I love the uneducated!”

News flash: critical thinking skills is conspicuously absent in MAGA. Trump and MAGA are the #1 enemy of critical thinking skills in America! Hell, in full blown dictatorships, they come for the intellectuals first!! Movements like MAGA are fearful of the truth! People fearful of the truth, many ensconced in a cult of personality, are only interested in suppressing that truth. Not that there are not “two sides” to an argument. But MAGA is “Post Truth”. Post truth needs no critical thinking.

MAGA all but worships a man who is creating a phony history, in order to serve as a rationalization for his power grab. Not accusing you, btw, you’re both rational and honest in your opinions, but in this instance, I can’t just sit here while someone defends MAGA for critical thinking, and accuses opponents of Trump of somehow lacking discrimination of thought…..







 
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I think this will be an interesting convo going forward, especially if Kamala loses.

Much of the rest of the world, mainly Europe I guess, see America as very far right. Kamala is center right at best. The modern Democratic party is not nearly left leaning enough for me personally.

If Kamala loses I think that is the country finally rejecting the Dems being so similar to the conservative party but just putting a nicer face on things. It's been well established how performative much of their 'support' is. And at the end of the day politicians are politicians. And it's billionaire corpos and super pacs calling the shots, either way.

In that scenario my hope would be the response to Trump is an ACTUAL far left movement way more in line with those European countries, where the almighty dollar and 'economy line go up' is not the be all end all. We are a very long way from that, but maybe four more years of Trump would actually kickstart someone who holds positions more similar to Bernie Sanders and his ilk to having a real chance on the ticket. The same way Obama sort of birthed Trump for conservatives.

I'm just rambling at this point, but hopefully a point or two is getting through. If a Trump election led to a mass reconstruction of the current two-party system, that would certainly be a silver lining.
Why would the movement move further left when moving left hasn’t worked? Especially since they need to win over rural old whites to win in the EC? If she loses, you’ll see the Democratic Party shift right. It’ll become the new Conservative Party as the GOP rushes off into reactionary authoritarian land.
 
Ah, bull****….I’ve raised the subject of education in America, including in higher education, many times here. It isn’t just about pornography. And it isn’t just secondary education.

And, BTW, one of the top ten enemies of “critical thinking skills”, in the public arena, is Ron DeSantis. And of course Trump, who invented an entire fictional history of the past several years, is the greatest enemy of critical thinking skills in the entire nation!! Does critical thinking leads us to accept Trump’s version of American history?? Is the United States “a garbage can”?

Hell, the entire MAGA movement is replete with Americans exhibiting the Dunning-Kruger Effect, the exact opposite of using the discriminating component of one’s mind. The exact opposite of critical thinking!!

News flash: critical thinking skills is conspicuously absent in MAGA.

MAGA all but worships a man who is creating a phony history, in order to serve as a rationalization for his power grab. Not accusing you, btw, you’re both rational and honest in your opinions, but in this instance, I can’t just sit here while someone defends MAGA for critical thinking, and accuses opponents of Trump of somehow lacking discrimination of thought…..







Good post
 
If the choice for US president was between Putin and Harris I'm pretty sure trumpers would choose Putin.

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Fwiw if I had to choose between trump or putin, I would choose trump without hesitation.

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they don't care to know, can't use critical thinking skills
The more I think about it, the more obvious it seems that Ron DeSantis may be, in the political/public arena, the greatest enemy of “freedom of thought” in the United States today. The greatest enemy of “academic freedom” in the United States today. Not my model for critical thinking skills. The man declared war on critical thinking skills.
 
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