The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Safetydan]

But thats the thing. They dont have to improve anyones lives after they win. They run on those things you suggested, get the votes, get into office and say that they tried to fight against the swamp and implement all the wonderful things but the other side blocked everything (this would probably be true anyways so they wouldn't even be lying to us) that they tried to pass.

Candidates ALWAYS say they are gonna do lots of **** to get votes and then never do it.

If somebody were to campaign on something like M4A and win in a landslide, the cat is out of the bag at that point. They'd have no excuses if they had a majority in both houses of Congress. They'd lose their messaging leverage and longevity for not delivering.

This is conjecture on my part. I do want to see it attempted but I think this is why they wouldn't do that. They need that carrot out in front of the horse as long as they can keep it there.

Letting Bernie through their primary gives the game away so to speak so of course they did what they could to ensure he'd lose.

 

[Sardines]

I guess so. But I feel like the ideas wouldn't be popular with congress and would get killed on arrival. Maybe not but it just seems like lobbyists would still exist, corporate america would still exist and money would still rule even if bernie were president

Yeah, I mean you're right.

Thanks for bringing me back to the depressing reality of U.S. politics.

 

[fishonjazz]

You love all those things and YOU are not an extreme leftist. You are probably very representative of the majority of Americans as far as I can gather and combine with my own assumptions. I think going with those very popular ideas, at least some of them, is so crazy it just might work.

My daughter is 23. She will not be voting in this election. As far as I can tell (she is extraordinarily guarded and has been since she could talk. My wife and I used to joke when she was like 5-8 that she'd make a good CIA agent because no one and nothing can make her talk) she is actually an extreme leftist. Very supportive of women's rights and of the LGBTQ community. She won't vote because Kamala isn't good enough to vote for, she's just another corporatist shill (my words, not hers). Even though she thinks Trump is evil, she doesn't care who wins if neither of them represents her ideology.

I missed this post. Its a good one and makes a good point.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

The only thing up for debate there is what that proportion is. But there is absolutely a percentage of the population that just simply won't vote for a woman.

yep my mum for example She is an independent strong willed woman yet when it comes to election times she'll say directly "i don't like women political leaders" wtf

 

[fishonjazz]

Thanks for all the really great responses. I was mostly playing devils advocate here.

 

[Safetydan]

All of this considered, It sure must be hard running as a democrat for president. They're visibly walking a tight-rope out there all the time. This is why somebody who isn't the best on their feet, like Kamala, struggles to speak off the cuff.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just realized I like jazzfanz way more on the actual web browser vs tapatalk. I usually use tapatalk because its way faster and easier to use but I think this discussion has convinced me to delete tapatalk and just use the browser.

 

[Safetydan]

Thanks for all the really great responses. I was mostly playing devils advocate here.

Yeah bro, Let me go back and hit you with all the likes

 

[fishonjazz]

All of this considered, It sure must be hard running as a democrat for president. They're visibly walking a tight-rope out there all the time. This is why somebody who isn't the best on their feet, like Kamala, struggles to speak off the cuff.

One silver lining of a trump win is that if kamala were to win then she would be the auto nominee next go around (as the incumbent) and that is no bueno.
trump wins and maybe the democratic candidate is Mayor Pete (my dream choice) or someone much better than kamala next time around.

 

[Sardines]

One silver lining of a trump win is that if kamala were to win then she would be the auto nominee next go around (as the incumbent) and that is no bueno.
trump wins and maybe the democratic candidate is Mayor Pete (my dream choice) or someone next time around.

Plus I think this Trump term would dispel any illusions people still have about Trump being some great deal maker, international peace maker, freedom lover, and economist.

 

[fishonjazz]

Plus I think this Trump term would dispel any illusions people still have about Trump being some great deal maker, international peace maker, freedom lover, and economist.

I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" (in response to your earlier post)

 

[Safetydan]

I agree as far as war stuff but I think the economy is going to be better regardless and he will take/get all the credit for the hard work the prior administration has done to recover post pandemic/supply chain issues etc. And the economy seems to be the only thing that anyone truly cares about anymore. If the economy is good then there could be wars going on all over the place and people wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't affecting us. Same with climate issues, culture war "woke" stuff etc. Thats the impression I get anyway. People have super fond memories of the **** show that was trumps presidency simply because stuff was cheap.

btw, tell your daughter that "perfect is the enemy of not the worst possible choice in the history of the world" (in response to your earlier post)

I'm curious what her response will be. Hit her with it.