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Sardines said:
Transgender women are per capita the most murdered people in the United States.
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That is now the second time I've seen you give voice to that false statistic. Young Black males are the most murdered people in the United States. The only transgender women murdered at anywhere near that rate are the ones who are themselves young Black males. Per capita, police officers are more murdered than transgender women.

Also, Trump didn't other the transgender community. He de-othered them. They aren't special. They are their biology just like all the rest of us. They are not they/them. They are us.
 
Tom Pitt said:
I wanted to put down some of my thoughts on feminism and test them a bit. Now if you are a leftist, i expect lot's of pushback. That's fine. If any of my thoughts are bad I welcome the discussion. But I ask that you appeal to me rationally and in good faith rather than being reactionary or reacting emotionally. Also sorry if any of this turns out to be incoherent or all over the place. I'm so sick i Can't sleep and high on DayQuill. Ok, and here we go

One issue i see with feminism is it has done more to undermine motherhood and accountability for women than anything. Women are actually applauded and encouraged to be dishonorable in the name of feminism i.e. abortion (for no reason other than not wanting the responsibility that comes with motherhood and Avoiding consequences of casual sex which i think is bad for the soul and I'm not even religious. For the record, i have no issue with abortion if the life of the mother is in jeopardy, and though I don't agree with abortion, i was fine in not over turning roe vs wade. Though even Ginsberg thought it should have been left up to the states on a constitutional basis.), onlyfans, promiscuousness.

I suspect a surprising amount of young women today will say cooking an cleaning in family life is degrading, working at McDonald's is degrading, but onlyfans is not. It seems to me that Modern feminism offers nor encourages no spiritual connection to the divine. In fact it conflates such mysticism with "the patriarchy." Feminism went from equality between men and women (which is kind of silly because women never wanted full equality as men and women are different and some things men do, generally speaking, women want no part of) as the goal to men suck and it's sexist and outdated to hold women to traditional standards of morality and femininity. Feminism champions the hairy-armpit-green-haired-sexual-exhibitionist lifestyle over motherhood, marriage and commitment. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that women initiate 70% of all divorces in the USA and China. Are men that much more the responsible? Also, kind of interesting, gay men have a 22% divorce rate, lesbians have a 72% percent divorce rate and heterosexual couples tend to be between 40-50% divorce rate) Men generally get screwed in no fault divorces too as our modern society has incentivized women to break up families. I also find it interesting that women who are virgins on their wedding day, have the highest chance of not getting divorced... it's almost as if there is ancient godly wisdom in Christianity that our society decided was oppressive or wrong. I don't blame women for all of it... women are engineered to go along with and uphold the social norms or status quo of a society (at least more so than men). Just look at female group dynamics. If a woman has 5 girlfriends and 3 of them don't like a guy this woman is dating, the other 2 won't either without much thought or consideration. Its also easier for women to walk away from marriage because throughout history women had to in order to survive (i.e. husband dies in battle, conquering tribe or nation moves in, and to protect her children and her self, she would find a new man in the conquering party and assimilate into the conquering party's tribe or nation.) imo, Christianity actually gave us the best chance at functional and thriving families but a huge portion of western civilization has decided the ways of God are outdated. This is my issue with the left on some things. They get so enamored with their own intelligence, wisdom and pride, that even the institutions of God that were tried in the laboratory of history are outdated instruments of oppression or patriarchy. Doesn't the bible say the wisdom of men is foolish unto God?

It really blows my mind you know? There's even been a gradual trend of women feeling unsatisfied and unfulfilled that correlates exactly with the progression of feminism (i can substantiate that finding). But women buy into this stuff because it sounds good. And I don't necessarily blame them, because it does sound good. Thomas Sowell said "the last 70 years can be characterized by saying we've traded what worked with what sounds good." I recall my mom saying many times to me over the years that women are emotional and that women operate on feelings. There's nothing wrong with that btw. Men and women are different. Does that mean women are unreliable narrators more than men? Maybe. What is the implication of that in marriage life or even at the societal level? A society 100% run by females and a society 100% run by males would look vastly different. We shouldn't be surprised by that. It's an interesting thought experiment to decipher the pros and cons of each. My current thesis is that while a matriarchal influence completes, and is ESSENTIAL, for family life, it doesn't, if left unchecked, scale well at the government level for the same reasons socialism and communism were utter disasters in the 20th century. Also, why is it that children raised by single dad's fare as well as children raised in a two parent household while children raised by a single mother fare much worse? (higher rates of crime, drug use, teenage pregnancy etc) it's almost as if masculinity which the left has demonized for decades is actually necessary and good in a child's life.
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I would encourage you to look inward and talk to women about these issues you have with them.

I would encourage everyone to examine their own beliefs and behaviors before judging others and how they choose to live their life.

I think most men would be best served to begin this conversation examining what they can do to address their concerns. Blaming women is an old, tired tradition and won’t get you anywhere.

While it’s adorable to ask, there’s more work and research you need to do before engaging in a real conversation with anyone who will take you seriously.

My question is, why is it women’s job to make men better partners and people? I think they’re tired of you and your lazy approach to life. Come with a basic understanding of women’s issues. We don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.


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Rubashov said:
Peterson doesn't give two ***** about god, like all other grifters he knows where his bread is buttered. What surprises me about him is why would he abandon a fairly successful professional career for this nonsense? The money cant be that good?
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Oh yes it can. No one can pull in the money like religious grifte...uh... leaders. Speaking engagements alone can get into 6 figures. Bigger events even more. They will buy the books at $50 a pop like they are going out of style. There is no amount of money too big to validate what many people have committed their entire lives to. Finding out you have committed your life to a lie is devastatingly difficult to deal with. So they flock to guys like JP who reinforce their brainwashed world-view and keep them snug in their comfortable beds of faith before all, except race and keeping the damn gays in their place. So, yeah, I would wager he has leveraged God-talk into at least 3x his previous salaries. Probably a lot more.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Come with a basic understanding of women’s issues. We don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.
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Wait, wut? You're a male feminist?!?

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I hope everyone is having a great day. Today rules!
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Wait, wut? You're a male feminist?!?

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I hope everyone is having a great day. Today rules!
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Yes! What is so funny about being male feminist? I love women!

Something smells fishy here folks. Dude hates women, obsessed with trans and gay people, and spewing all his hate and anger today. Ehhh that usually means something, especially in Utah. Just sayin. No hate.

I’m having an awesome day, thanks. You’ve been so responsive to my posts, it’s been fun.

I’ll bet you’re stoked bro! Going mask off when you’re as insecure as yourself must get those dopamine hits goin!


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LogGrad98 said:
Oh yes it can. No one can pull in the money like religious grifte...uh... leaders. Speaking engagements alone can get into 6 figures. Bigger events even more. They will buy the books at $50 a pop like they are going out of style. There is no amount of money too big to validate what many people have committed their entire lives to. Finding out you have committed your life to a lie is devastatingly difficult to deal with. So they flock to guys like JP who reinforce their brainwashed world-view and keep them snug in their comfortable beds of faith before all, except race and keeping the damn gays in their place. So, yeah, I would wager he has leveraged God-talk into at least 3x his previous salaries. Probably a lot more.
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It definitely goes both ways. Some of the biggest grifters on the planet are the secular priests of the modern left. People like Robyn Diangelo and Ibram X or orgs like BLM etc.
 
Tom Pitt said:
It definitely goes both ways. Some of the biggest grifters on the planet are the secular priests of the modern left. People like Robyn Diangelo and Ibram X or orgs like BLM etc.
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The ones on the modem right don't do this? I was talking religion not politics. But definitely politicians and people of a political bent do this as well, regardless of their leanings. I just find religious grifters to be far far worse since they tap into an already deeply ingrained factor of human existence, something many people are indoctrinated with since birth, and tied directly to the existential nature of life, and tack a political factor on top, essentially preying on people who are at their most vulnerable. It's despicable.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The ones on the modem right don't do this? I was talking religion not politics. But definitely politicians and people of a political bent do this as well, regardless of their leanings. I just find religious grifters to be far far worse since they tap into an already deeply ingrained factor of human existence, something many people are indoctrinated with since birth, and tied directly to the existential nature of life, and tack a political factor on top, essentially preying on people who are at their most vulnerable. It's despicable.
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They distract them by making them hate their neighbors while picking their pocket.

….the oooold dick twist!


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LogGrad98 said:
The ones on the modem right don't do this? I was talking religion not politics. But definitely politicians and people of a political bent do this as well, regardless of their leanings. I just find religious grifters to be far far worse since they tap into an already deeply ingrained factor of human existence, something many people are indoctrinated with since birth, and tied directly to the existential nature of life, and tack a political factor on top, essentially preying on people who are at their most vulnerable. It's despicable.
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"In any case, prayer breakfasts are never good eating for secular Americans. Thursday’s doubleheader was no exception.

Tonally, both events were, by Trump’s 2024 tachycardic rhetorical standards, restrained, cool, even calm. The implications of what was proposed at the second gathering, however, are incendiary. America’s non-conservative Christians, non-Christians and nonbelievers should take heed, as should all of those who believe that some form of secular governance is necessary for the well-being of any liberal democracy.

Secular governance, as we all know, is not Donald Trump’s fancy. He made a torrent of statements to this effect at both breakfasts. But none were more alarming than his announcement that he was appointing Attorney General Pam Bondi to head a task force to “eradicate anti-Christian bias”:

“The mission of this task force will be to immediately halt all forms of anti-Christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government, including at the DOJ, which was absolutely terrible, the IRS, the FBI ... and other agencies. In addition, the task force will work to fully prosecute anti-Christian violence and vandalism in our society and to move heaven and Earth to defend the rights of Christians and religious believers nationwide. You never had that before, but this is a very powerful document I’m signing.”

 
str8line said:
"In any case, prayer breakfasts are never good eating for secular Americans. Thursday’s doubleheader was no exception.

Tonally, both events were, by Trump’s 2024 tachycardic rhetorical standards, restrained, cool, even calm. The implications of what was proposed at the second gathering, however, are incendiary. America’s non-conservative Christians, non-Christians and nonbelievers should take heed, as should all of those who believe that some form of secular governance is necessary for the well-being of any liberal democracy.

Secular governance, as we all know, is not Donald Trump’s fancy. He made a torrent of statements to this effect at both breakfasts. But none were more alarming than his announcement that he was appointing Attorney General Pam Bondi to head a task force to “eradicate anti-Christian bias”:

“The mission of this task force will be to immediately halt all forms of anti-Christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government, including at the DOJ, which was absolutely terrible, the IRS, the FBI ... and other agencies. In addition, the task force will work to fully prosecute anti-Christian violence and vandalism in our society and to move heaven and Earth to defend the rights of Christians and religious believers nationwide. You never had that before, but this is a very powerful document I’m signing.”

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Yep. Too bad no one ever thought of anything that would protect the rights of Christians, and you know those other believing people.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

"It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -

(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
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Yep we've never had that before. No one ever thought of that. Good thing we have a president so utterly clueless that he thinks of things people already thought of to make sure people know he thought of these things before they did, you know, ex post facto.
 
It's a really good thing we now have a presidential decree that protects Christians. Now we don't have to worry about non-Christians doing things like holding offices, you know, like president. At least we can make sure the streak of 47 straight Christian presidents will remain unbroken. It was a dark dark time in our history when we didn't have a Christian president. And now we can finally get some laws based in Christian values, you know, like all of them.

Now we just need a presidential decree protecting white men over 40. The most discriminated group in the country's entire history! No one has faced more discrimination than old white men. Get on it Trump! I mean how in the **** did the old white men ever allow any other group to have more than 10% of the nation's wealth?! Absolutely scandalous! The very idea!
 
LogGrad98 said:
The ones on the modem right don't do this? I was talking religion not politics. But definitely politicians and people of a political bent do this as well, regardless of their leanings. I just find religious grifters to be far far worse since they tap into an already deeply ingrained factor of human existence, something many people are indoctrinated with since birth, and tied directly to the existential nature of life, and tack a political factor on top, essentially preying on people who are at their most vulnerable. It's despicable.
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yeah I get what you mean. I made that comment because I think as the left becomes more secular, they have their own "religious or moral police" or influencers if that makes sense. That's why I said secular police. Where it used to be the clergy dispersed throughout institutions in days of old, now it's like DEI officers where that is still going on. But I find religious grifters reprehensible... like the multi millionaire pastor that flies on private jets etc. But in defense of Jordan Peterson, he does have some legitimately valid and worthwhile things to say. And his message is much better and wholesome for lost young men than someone like Andrew Tate right?
 

View: https://x.com/thomassowell/status/1892937325812023499?s=46

Margaret Thatcher was a great woman and great ambassador of Liberalism. I would submit that Neo-liberalism is no longer true liberalism but a form of PC authoritarianism.

"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. Whatever it's ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now
is an objectively revolutionary process." - Linda Gordon
Also this quote from Gordon... whose contributions to the feminism in the realm scholarship cannot be understated.
 

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Tom Pitt said:
yeah I get what you mean. I made that comment because I think as the left becomes more secular, they have their own "religious or moral police" or influencers if that makes sense. That's why I said secular police. Where it used to be the clergy dispersed throughout institutions in days of old, now it's like DEI officers where that is still going on. But I find religious grifters reprehensible... like the multi millionaire pastor that flies on private jets etc. But in defense of Jordan Peterson, he does have some legitimately valid and worthwhile things to say. And his message is much better and wholesome for lost young men than someone like Andrew Tate right?
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No not really, Peterson is a gaping arsehole, he's no better than Tate, its basically the same rubbish just with different packaging, like Apple products...

I think its pretty much impossible to live and grow up in any of the state of the Judeo-Christian world and not be in some way influenced by the basic morality of the bible and that's not a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when people start to impose the politicised fringe views of religion on others. I'm all for treating my neighbour decently and charity for the poor, and I'll think you'll find every religion believes in that, what I'm not on board with is being told who to love, how to have a family and so. Christianity has for a very long time been as much if not more a political programme than spiritual. The power exercised by the Catholic church through history is immense and the various form of the Protestant church that have emerged have also done so to forward the political aims of rulers and states.
 
Tom Pitt said:

View: https://x.com/thomassowell/status/1892937325812023499?s=46

Margaret Thatcher was a great woman and great ambassador of Liberalism. I would submit that Neo-liberalism is no longer true liberalism but a form of PC authoritarianism.

"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. Whatever it's ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now
is an objectively revolutionary process." - Linda Gordon
Also this quote from Gordon... whose contributions to the feminism in the realm scholarship cannot be understated.
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The only decent thing Thatcher did was die.

The nuclear family is for the most part an American invention, the idea of mum, dad and the kids as a stand alone unit. This was promoted in America as an idea to encourage people to move around for work ect. In European cultures its more common for people to live with large extended families, this can be a problem for capitalism because people are reluctant to move away from their family structure for employment. As an example i come from immigrant families but we immigrated together, so despite having left Europe 70 years ago, I have an extended family of over 100 people who live within a relatively small geographic spread. If you took my house and drew a circle with a radius of say 30 miles, you'd easily collect 60 or 70 of my extended family.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I would encourage you to look inward and talk to women about these issues you have with them.

I would encourage everyone to examine their own beliefs and behaviors before judging others and how they choose to live their life.

I think most men would be best served to begin this conversation examining what they can do to address their concerns. Blaming women is an old, tired tradition and won’t get you anywhere.

While it’s adorable to ask, there’s more work and research you need to do before engaging in a real conversation with anyone who will take you seriously.

My question is, why is it women’s job to make men better partners and people? I think they’re tired of you and your lazy approach to life. Come with a basic understanding of women’s issues. We don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.


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You seem to think my comment was made out of personal vendetta. I'm simply interested in raising the question as to whether feminism is a net positive for society. I am certainly open to being persuaded as much. I both believe woman should be treated with dignity and respect and certainly believe they should have the option to leave abusive relationships while also theorizing that what feminism has evolved into is bad for society. This of course is not really super palatable right now because the downsides of modern feminism is veiled in equality and equal rights and therefore cannot be questioned and furthermore outside the purview of the Overton window as the left controls all the organs of western society (universities, legacy media, HR in corporations, social initiatives etc. But if women only want to marry up or sometimes marry a partner at least of equal social attainment, what might we say of the fact that 90% of all gender specific scholarships go to women while women being 58.5% of students getting degrees are women compared to 41.5% going to men? And is it problematic than from simply just a biological fact men equate a woman's value on the dating market with her body count and that feminism presents promiscuity as a liberation from the patriarchy? that most men want a wife who has not slept with lots of dudes. this is not good for society my good man
 
Tom Pitt said:

View: https://x.com/thomassowell/status/1892937325812023499?s=46

Margaret Thatcher was a great woman and great ambassador of Liberalism. I would submit that Neo-liberalism is no longer true liberalism but a form of PC authoritarianism.

"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. Whatever it's ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now
is an objectively revolutionary process." - Linda Gordon
Also this quote from Gordon... whose contributions to the feminism in the realm scholarship cannot be understated.
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Do you realize your boogeymen are only yours?

Like, most people on the left these days don’t even know who Margaret Thatcher is nor care about what she says.

You really have no idea who you’re really opposing. At all. It’s all been made up by your own echo chambers. You don’t know us, what we think or believe. We don’t wear hats. We hang out with the people you hate and fear.


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Tom Pitt said:
You seem to think my comment was made out of personal vendetta. I'm simply interested in raising the question as to whether feminism is a net positive for society. I am certainly open to being persuaded as much. I both believe woman should be treated with dignity and respect and certainly believe they should have the option to leave abusive relationships while also theorizing that what feminism has evolved into is bad for society. This of course is not really super palatable right now because the downsides of modern feminism is veiled in equality and equal rights and therefore cannot be questioned and furthermore outside the purview of the Overton window as the left controls all the organs of western society (universities, legacy media, HR in corporations, social initiatives etc. But if women only want to marry up or sometimes marry a partner at least of equal social attainment, what might we say of the fact that 90% of all gender specific scholarships go to women while women being 58.5% of students getting degrees are women compared to 41.5% going to men? And is it problematic than from simply just a biological fact men equate a woman's value on the dating market with her body count and that feminism presents promiscuity as a liberation from the patriarchy? that most men want a wife who has not slept with lots of dudes. this is not good for society my good man
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I don’t know you, so no my comment wasn’t personal.

You posted a block of opinions that reflect very clearly the media you consume and the male role models you’ve mentioned here. I have also listened to them, there is some value there for men, but it gets ruined once all the insecure garbage gets dumped in. To us feminists we want to sympathize with you. But that requires a lot of research and work you won’t find on Twitter and YouTube, or rumble, all the echo-spheres.

So my statement stands. I think you’re so biased and brainwashed by propaganda that I won’t engage on any of the things you claim. You don’t know anything about my argument.

If you do, please enlighten me and I’ll engage. Otherwise, I don’t have time to wait for you to catch up.


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