Isn't this Sap's history? He looks like an All-star for awhile, especially early in the year, and then not so much. I still think we would be better off starting favors with Big Slow, let Sap work off the bench against lesser and probably shorter players. It also matches the youngins with the vets instead of putting 2 inexperienced bigs on the floor together.
GAME THREAD: Utah @ Golden State, 2/2/12, 8:30 Utah time
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Isn't this Sap's history? He looks like an All-star for awhile, especially early in the year, and then not so much. I still think we would be better off starting favors with Big Slow, let Sap work off the bench against lesser and probably shorter players. It also matches the youngins with the vets instead of putting 2 inexperienced bigs on the floor together.
He can guard ones but he can't play the 1. We need a point forward/playmaking SG to play Burks at the 1.
disagree that he has been all that bad.
really had a rough couple of games with the refs but has still been getting it done on the boards (averaging >10rpg over the last 5 games). also had a couple of strong offensive runs and plays (the clutch 3ptr against clippers) in both games.
he's not an all-star but is busting his guts for the team. don't see how you can be disappointed in that?
The Thriller
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In all seriousness, why the hell wouldn't we involve Karl in the development of some of our young (post) players?
I get it I get it, he's very opinionated and probably wouldn't be a great HC.
But to condition some of these guys? To teach them some of his tricks? Does Greg, KOC, and Ty really think that they won't learn anything from working with 1 of the NBA's 50 best players of all time?
I get it I get it, he's very opinionated and probably wouldn't be a great HC.
But to condition some of these guys? To teach them some of his tricks? Does Greg, KOC, and Ty really think that they won't learn anything from working with 1 of the NBA's 50 best players of all time?
I really like Burks.
Main critique I have about him is that he does not know when to use his aggression. He just attacks no matter what. Knowing how to use that will come with time but for now it to a bunch of stupid mistakes.
Jerry Lundegaard
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Great ****ing post. I agree with every word of it. I don't blame other Jazz fans for being impatient though. The entitlement and rabid lust for instant gratification are two basic qualities in a lot of sports fans. Given the nature of society in general, with the way things have progressed, that will only get magnified. But we can save the psychology of irrational fans for another day.
I love watching this squad in particular. Brimming with potential and has the chance to win games in the immediate. I will admit to pulling my hair out when things aren't going well, but that's all part of the fun for me.
Interesting is a nice way to describe the road schedule ahead. I used the word hellacious in a different thread. Either way, it will make for some fun times on this forum! Whether it be joyous circle jerks or hateful meltdowns and juvenile tantrums I'm ready for it all!
Go Jazz!
P.S. you should post more often!
Salo the only thing I have say about the Miles comment is that this is his 7th year. he is not new anymore. yes he is young but he has been on the Jazz longer than any other player. Guy should know not to make the stupid plays he does.
As for me personally I am for a trade if it makes the team better but I am not for trading for the sake of trading.
Also Chitown your Bipolarness makes me smile.
As for me personally I am for a trade if it makes the team better but I am not for trading for the sake of trading.
Also Chitown your Bipolarness makes me smile.
First game all season I haven't watched within 10 hours of it being played. I just might skip this one.
Doesn't sound like their were even any highlights for us...
Doesn't sound like their were even any highlights for us...
Jerry Lundegaard
Banned
I've been C.J.'s biggest supporter, but at this point I agree he is expendable if the deal is right. Yes he plays like a bonehead sometimes, but so do 97% of the players in the NBA. But you can't deny his physical attributes and what he can get done on the court.
I'm glad my posts make you smile. People can make all the judgements they want about my character based on the posts of mine they've read, but my passion for the Jazz and insatiable hunger to see them succeed is undeniable. That is at the root of every post I make regarding the Jazz, and given the up and down nature of this season so far - bipolar is an excellent way to put it.
Yea I mean the tone of your posts instead of the topic itself. One you are extremely high then in the next your are extrmeemly negative then BAM! right back to hihg lol.
No need to over-react to this game. I live in the Bay Area and all the media considered this to be best game Curry and Ellis have had together this year... by far. And on the occasions when Biedrins decides to play hard he is very good on the offensive glass, and when you mix in Lee, all of a sudden GS isn't so bad on the boards. The local guys considered this to be "hot" game for the Warriors... and when teams get hot they are very hard to shut down.
I love some of the other threads blaming Burks play at PG for the loss.... insane...
I love some of the other threads blaming Burks play at PG for the loss.... insane...
I was actually... very disappointed with the Jazz last night. Not because they lost and not even because they played poorly, but because they gave up. That's inexcusable.
I really hope we don't see that ever again from this group. They'd solidified themselves in my mind as fighters, even in (actually, especially in) their losses. And then that happens.
Watson's a fighter. Bell isn't all that good anymore, but he's a fighter as well. Maybe they're more important than we thought.
I really hope we don't see that ever again from this group. They'd solidified themselves in my mind as fighters, even in (actually, especially in) their losses. And then that happens.
Watson's a fighter. Bell isn't all that good anymore, but he's a fighter as well. Maybe they're more important than we thought.
Bell has been out the last two games, we have lost the last two games. Correlation? Maybe.
I love Tinsley's 13 assists but his defense or lack of thereof was exposed today. Curry just toyed with him in iso and did everything he wanted - crossovers and all the way to the rim or step back jumper. If he goes to the rim one of the bigs had to move out of position and give up an easy offensive rebound. After 5010 of such plays guys just gave up.
billyshelby
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I can't believe I waited 24 hours for that. I wanted to leap through my TV and at least grab one rebound.
i won't disagree that cj still makes bad decisions at both ends of the court. i'd have been more optimistic about his potential years ago if he'd done played more of this driving and penetrating style. it's not always successful or even convincing but often enough this year he's getting to the hoop and finishing. defensively he still reaches too much and gives up fouls when he doesn't need to - if sloan couldn't coach those habits out of him in six seasons i don't know if he will ever overcome them.
i don't think he's ever been 'untouchable' from the jazz's point of view. his minutes were always erratic under sloan and the deal we currently have him signed for is probably about right. he could easily be used as an extra piece for the right trade anytime.
like i said before, he's only really ever been a second round-type talent and keeping that in mind i reckon we get good value out of him.
(on a final note i can't believe that anti-cj thread is up to... what, 70 pages by now??!! i don't know if boozer ever had a thread that long!!)
billyshelby
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Correlation, sure. Causation, no.
billyshelby
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For everyone complaining about CJ, it should be worth noting that over the last 10 games before last night's horror show: 22 minutes, 14.6 pts on 46/22 shooting, 5 free throws per, 1 steal and 1 assist. Yeah, the 3 pt shooting is a nightmare, but find me another guy who puts up those numbers in 22 minutes.