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2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

Tough for Denver as they have many inconsistent players outside of Joker, Murray and Gordon. Westbrick, Porter being the superstar in this range.
 
bigmike said:
Death, taxes, Donovan-led teams getting smacked in the conference semi’s.

Wonder if he punks out and asks for a trade this offseason or if he waits one more.
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He’s gonna look scared and weak if he asks out.

I think he asks them to trade for better players.
 
bigmike said:
Death, taxes, Donovan-led teams getting smacked in the conference semi’s.

Wonder if he punks out and asks for a trade this offseason or if he waits one more.
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Actually after everyone went to the Locke room and the crowd was gone, Don came out and sat court-side in the empty stadium by himself.

Could this be him saying goodbye to Cleveland?

Interesting…
 
framer said:
Also, the Pacsrs.
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Yep. They’ve drafted well, signed key free agents, made a couple of key trades, churned the roster and made a couple of coaching changes to get to this point.

Originally, they turned PG13 into Sabonis and picks, then they turned Sabonis into Tyrese Haliburton and picks.

They traded for Pascal Siakam using Bruce Brown’s contract (signed as a free agent mercenary for two years), parts and pieces, two middling 2024 picks and a conditional 2026 pick - at the trade deadline when he was expiring. Then they extended him long-term after they got him.

They signed Malcolm Brogdon as a free agent, and then traded him in the deal that got them Nesmith and a 2023 pick back (which was flipped for a 2024 pick and then later used in the trade for Siakam.)

They also draft exceptionally well - adding key guys in both the lottery and late:

They drafted Myles Turner (#10, 2017) AND kept him around - even during a period of time where it looked like he would certainly be traded. They also drafted Benedict Mathurin (#6, 2022) and Andrew Nembhard (#31, 2022). They also have drafted Jarace Walker (#08, 2023) and Ben Sheppard (#26, 2023).

They signed T. J. McConnell as a cheap free agent in 2019, and have extended him twice since then (about $10 million per year), and they added Obi Toppin for a couple of 2nd round picks and extended him as well.
 
Odds on how long before pundits, podcasters, blog boys, etc. begin the drumbeat for tearing down the Cavaliers and rebuilding (and Denver if they lose to OKC)? Further, what are the odds before a drumbeat begins for trading Jokic and getting what Denver can for him?

As if that's the only way to build a team and, at least in Cleveland's case, the lack of appetite among most fans for enduring yet another rebuild and the fact Jokic is a truly generational talent and trading him is even dumber than trading Doncic.

Yet, I'm guessing it won't stop the drumbeat from gaining momentum. How does that saying go, "if the only tool you have is a hammer...?"
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
Odds on how long before pundits, podcasters, blog boys, etc. begin the drumbeat for tearing down the Cavaliers and rebuilding (and Denver if they lose to OKC)? Further, what are the odds before a drumbeat begins for trading Jokic and getting what Denver can for him?

As if that's the only way to build a team and, at least in Cleveland's case, the lack of appetite among most fans for enduring yet another rebuild and the fact Jokic is a truly generational talent and trading him is even dumber than trading Doncic.

Yet, I'm guessing it won't stop the drumbeat from gaining momentum. How does that saying go, "if the only tool you have is a hammer...?"
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No one is calling for a rebuild for the Cavs, but Im sure there will be continuing talks about the fits of Mobley/Allen and Garland/Mitchell.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No one is calling for a rebuild for the Cavs, but Im sure there will be continuing talks about the fits of Mobley/Allen and Garland/Mitchell.
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There is a sentiment in the cavs community that Mobley is being held back from his full potential by the ball dominant guards. That on top of Garland not being 100% during playoff time and the player fits not being seamless. It will be an interesting offseason for them. Should they just run it back?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No one is calling for a rebuild for the Cavs, but Im sure there will be continuing talks about the fits of Mobley/Allen and Garland/Mitchell.
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Not yet. Just wait, a friendly gentlemen's bet that it's a matter of time. (I'm aware that I could be over my skis on this prediction.)

That said, you're almost certainly correct. I imagine some changes are in store and those are the most obvious and weighty ones to consider.
 
Basketball Novice said:
There is a sentiment in the cavs community that Mobley is being held back from his full potential by the ball dominant guards. That on top of Garland not being 100% during playoff time and the player fits not being seamless. It will be an interesting offseason for them. Should they just run it back?
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It's not uncommon for teams to experience a few years of playoff flameouts before they break through, while tinkering around the edges, or otherwise keep a core in place. I guess the question is who's the "core" at Cleveland? I say Mitchell and Mobley definitely. Garland and Allen less so. We'll see.

I am very skeptical that any team can win the title with Mitchell as the #1 option. Sooner or later, he'll suck the balance out of the offensive flow and it becomes too Mitchell centric. He's not shown that he can be reliable in this role.
 
Basketball Novice said:
There is a sentiment in the cavs community that Mobley is being held back from his full potential by the ball dominant guards. That on top of Garland not being 100% during playoff time and the player fits not being seamless. It will be an interesting offseason for them. Should they just run it back?
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I think they should run it back
 
fishonjazz said:
I think they should run it back
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absolutely they will not. they need better role players and right now garland just isn't what they need. He will likely be shipped off for some role players. or, if don threatens to leave hell get fired away for role players. ironically, I wonder if they would trade don back for Lauri

- George
 
George W said:
absolutely they will not. they need better role players and right now garland just isn't what they need. He will likely be shipped off for some role players. or, if don threatens to leave hell get fired away for role players. ironically, I wonder if they would trade don back for Lauri

- George
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Their problem is Mitchell.. plain and simple.. when he has the ball everyone just stands and watch. Other teams has that too except Mitchell cant hit the long shot consistently enough.

Compare that to the Pacers team where everybody’s involved.
 
The Midnight said:
Their problem is Mitchell.. plain and simple.. when he has the ball everyone just stands and watch. Other teams has that too except Mitchell cant hit the long shot consistently enough.

Compare that to the Pacers team where everybody’s involved.
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Agreed. During lower stakes games, the offense flows and the ball is shared more. In crunch time or high stakes games, it always has been and will always be Mitchell time. We have sufficient data points to conclude that it's a load he can't shoulder successfully. That's why I don't think any team with him as the #1 option will ever win the title.
 
Celtics looking like the team that wants it more right now pulling out to a 7 point lead..

Another gem of a game here going down to the wire..
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
Agreed. During lower stakes games, the offense flows and the ball is shared more. In crunch time or high stakes games, it always has been and will always be Mitchell time. We have sufficient data points to conclude that it's a load he can't shoulder successfully. That's why I don't think any team with him as the #1 option will ever win the title.
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Some good points by Perks about a Mitchell led team:


View: https://youtu.be/KkXfeX9sq04?si=rw9xlu0F9EVR-_Ab
 
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