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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nah, dont think he will jump ahead of Khaman. Just read the ESPN article that said Khaman is known as the best intangibles guy in the draft.
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Vecenie was on saying some teams might have Beringer higher maybe… said he has better hands. I think both are gone by 13ish.
 
I think my ideal draft is to somehow come away with Kon or Ace and Coward.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
Which center that's available doesn't have strengths and weaknesses?

If some team is willing to give us the equivalent of 3 firsts for Kessler, that means 1) he's grossly undervalued here and 2) he's probably worth the 30+ million a year. But, I don't think he's worth 3 firsts, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to offer us the equivalent of 3 firsts.

Maluach may have more potential, but, unless every mock and analyst is wrong and the Jazz FO is executing a dandy of a smokescreen, we won't draft him at 5, and he won't be available at 21.

I'd like to see how Kessler does when we're actually trying to win. We have little information about how our young guys contribute to winning and what roles they can play in such a circumstance, as we've never asked them to win. We've put them in a position where we expect them to excel, but not too much, because we don't want to win. When we have won with them, the FO jettisons anyone who can help us win or sits their arses on the bench. I'm skeptical that this is the ideal way to judge who can contribute to winning, how, and in what role.

I wonder what would be the result if you took any of the key role players on Indiana or OKC and asked the same of them early in their careers what the result would be. My guess is pretty much what we've seen the last few years with our youngsters. They'd lose, and the fanbase would heap scathing criticism on each of them, hyper focusing on all their weaknesses, and pining for the bright shiny new things that their imaginations tell them would be so much better.
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Walker is a very good player, he is in trade talks because he is playing very well. It is also a fact that he is about to get paid alot of money. If Walker is deficient in some way that the Jazz think is important, now is precisely the best moment to sell Kessler. Often times, teams wait until the precisely wrong moment, when a player has proven to be a detriment or has demanded a trade, to try and trade a player. Of course, no one wants to trade a player when they are playing extremely well, selling high is tough to pull off.

In terms of ranking the assets on the team, Walker is probably the best or 2nd best player in terms of trade value. And this draft has quite the crop of talent going into the 20s. I think it's quite reasonable to explore trades for Walker. While he is a very good player, he is a defense first center who is very limited offensively. He is not indispensable.

I might be overly eager to trade Walker, chasing new possibilities over the sure fire, very good player in front of me. But, I also don't want to be overly attached to any singular player either. We need to consider all options to build the eventual Jazz championship roster.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I'm low on Maluach.
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Same. I’m borderline baffled. At 7’2” 250lbs and supposedly chalked full of athleticism and intangibles, was 225th in rebounds and 130th in blocks in college basketball last year.

Stretch big? 25% on .4 attempts a game?

0 rebounds in the biggest game of his career against a team that didn’t field a dude taller than 6’9”.

Maybe I will look like a moron, but he’s late 1st for me.
 
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Bodhi said:
Same. I’m borderline baffled. At 7’2” 250lbs and supposedly chalked full of athleticism and intangibles, was 225th in rebounds and 130th in blocks in college basketball last year.

Stretch big? 25% on .4 attempts a game?

0 rebounds in the biggest game of his career against a team that didn’t field a dude taller than 6’9”.

Maybe I will look like a moron, but he’s late 1st for me.
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Did you watch the game at all too? He was a complete ghost. I do not see it. Another Bol Bol incoming
 
Bodhi said:
Same. I’m borderline baffled. At 7’2” 250lbs and supposedly chalked full of athleticism and intangibles, was 225th in rebounds and 130th in blocks in college basketball last year.

Stretch big? 25% on .4 attempts a game?

0 rebounds in the biggest game of his career against a team that didn’t field a dude taller than 6’9”.

Maybe I will look like a moron, but he’s late 1st for me.
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He has significant bust potential if he can't read and react at NBA speed. The game has gotten even faster and more spaced since guys like Mo Bamba couldn't keep up. If Will Hardy really wants guys to make a decision in less than a second, Maluach isn't going to fit in. Watch how fast the Pacers and Thunder are making decisions and moving the ball. And as for "intangibles," guys like CMB, Essengue, Bryant and probably Beringer run circles around him.

Maluach is huge. He can catch on the move and finish on the rim. He also makes a decent percentage of his FTs. He eats up space. That's his appeal.
 
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Bodhi said:
Same. I’m borderline baffled. At 7’2” 250lbs and supposedly chalked full of athleticism and intangibles, was 225th in rebounds and 130th in blocks in college basketball last year.

Stretch big? 25% on .4 attempts a game?

0 rebounds in the biggest game of his career against a team that didn’t field a dude taller than 6’9”.

Maybe I will look like a moron, but he’s late 1st for me.
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I was originally low but I think I am coming around a bit on him. The stretch big stuff doesn't matter, in my eyes, his screen setting and rim finishing on offense added to his great defensive play makes him intriguing. He is a great offensive rebounder but only a good defensive rebounder. The Houston game was probably his worst game played last year.

His offensive rating is a crazy 143, defensive rating is 95, net-rating being +48, so he is doing something right when he is on the court. 74% TS on lowish volume, ~20 minutes a game. Just a lob threat and offensive rebounding monster. I saw so many oops to this guy whether it was Kon, or Flagg, or Sion or whoever else on Duke driving to the rim. It's a legitimate weapon. This is only scratching the surface of his potential. FTs at 75% so teams won't be able to hack him in the playoffs plus its a promising indicator for his shooting in general. I also saw some small flashes of something more. Moments where he made a great move or had a crafty finish, nothing crazy but it makes me think that this guy has more to him if given some time and coaching.

The way this guy moves on defense, doing switching and rotations, was great for a guy his size. Feels like he will be able to do a variety of defensive schemes (he isn't just a drop coverage big). And I don't need to talk about the ridiculous physical tools.

This guy could be a dominant center. Someone who was really high on him, comped him to a more offensively oriented Gobert. And everyone raves about the intangibles of this guy. I'm still trying to collect my thoughts on him but he might have something.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He has significant bust potential if he can't read and react at NBA speed. The game has gotten even faster and more spaced since guys like Mo Bamba couldn't keep up. If Will Hardy really wants guys to make a decision in less than a second, Maluach isn't going to fit in.
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If he plays hard he has no bust potential. Might not live up to his potential, but he will be a more useful player than Mo Bamba as long as he gives a **** which is what the Intel says about him.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If he plays hard he has no bust potential. Might not live up to his potential, but he will be a more useful player than Mo Bamba as long as he gives a **** which is what the Intel says about him.
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I think teams will make him guard in space and he might get lost. This is one of the defensive issues that Mark Williams has.
 
Bodhi said:
Same. I’m borderline baffled. At 7’2” 250lbs and supposedly chalked full of athleticism and intangibles, was 225th in rebounds and 130th in blocks in college basketball last year.

Stretch big? 25% on .4 attempts a game?

0 rebounds in the biggest game of his career against a team that didn’t field a dude taller than 6’9”.

Maybe I will look like a moron, but he’s late 1st for me.
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Why is he so high on draft boards. Is it based off the fact he’s hitting 3’s in an empty gym? I also saw that game and was thinking he needed to go back to school. Lol
 
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