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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Jeremy Evans was 23 years old entering the NBA


Essengue will be 18
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I’m well aware.

Rail thin, athletic energy bigs have a poor track record if they don’t become fundamentally different players. I’m actually quite confident they have reliably one of the worst hit rates if you were to do a comprehensive comparative analysis.

The part that the tweet left out is that Essengue is 204 pounds, which is 6 pounds lighter than Collier was a year ago. He also has a surprisingly pedestrian wingspan despite having a great standing reach and appearing to have freakishly long arms. The way all of these things are simultaneously true is he has freakishly narrow chest and shoulders.
 
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The Jazz Wonderbra said:
NIL money keeping guys in college feels like it is going to make 2025 - 2027 second round picks wait an extra year until they are ready. That lag will catchup in a year or two.

Trading 2025 second round picks for future second round picks sounds like an easy way to increase their value.
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I agree, buuut I’m pretty sure every other front office realizes that (whether all owners get it or care is a different story).

The counterpoint would be that value is almost always considered higher in the present than in the future (which is basically why loans and interest exist and are major economic drivers). I’d definitely be trying what you’re suggesting, but I also don’t think there’s going to be people knocking down our door for our 2nd rounders in this draft.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I agree, buuut I’m pretty sure every other front office realizes that (whether all owners get it or care is a different story).

The counterpoint would be that value is almost always considered higher in the present than in the future (which is basically why loans and interest exist and are major economic drivers). I’d definitely be trying what you’re suggesting, but I also don’t think there’s going to be people knocking down our door for our 2nd rounders in this draft.
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Kangz gonna kang? Is that what I always here?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Noa's perimeter defense is very nice.

Everything else is theoretical in my opinion.
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He runs the floor well, finishes well, gets by defenders with long strides. He's been passing well and he's started rebounding in traffic. He's looked like a bigger, somewhat more aggressive version of a young Nic Batum. He's also been getting to the FT line at a high rate and is making enough FTs for it to be a positive signal.

The theoretical part is whether he gains another 20 lbs, starts dunking on people, and makes some shots off the dribble.
 
NUMBERICA said:
K, just know he’s way more a really skinny big than he is a giant wing when doing your evaluation.
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I’m fine with that tbh. I’m not drafting him at 5, and I’m perfectly content to take one of Harper, Ace, Tre or VJ first and then get a guy like him via a trade up from other picks. And there’s plenty of other guys I like in that range (CMB, Demin, Essengue, Bryant, Traore, Fleming, etc.) that I’m not overpaying dramatically to move up to get him.
 
If Jazz stay at 5 and 21 they take whoever is left of Ace, VJ, Tre
At 21 if Malauch is gone take best center available at 21 if they want a center
Don't think they should give up too much to move up
They may also get a couple good players with their second rounders
 
I want to stay at 5 but ....but...I would throw the metaphorical kitchen sink to get the Duke center by packaging picks including the 27 Lakers pick to move up from 21. Sorry Kessler, I think he has a higher ceiling.
 
whatthe said:
I want to stay at 5 but ....but...I would throw the metaphorical kitchen sink to get the Duke center by packaging picks including the 27 Lakers pick to move up from 21. Sorry Kessler, I think he has a higher ceiling.
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I would throw the kitchen sink to get the duke forward
 
slc said:
If Jazz stay at 5 and 21 they take whoever is left of Ace, VJ, Tre
At 21 if Malauch is gone take best center available at 21 if they want a center
Don't think they should give up too much to move up
They may also get a couple good players with their second rounders
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But we already have Kessler. Why throw the kitchen sink to draft a guy who might one day be better than a guy who’s already solid? Why not use those assets to obtain a good player to replace one of our many sucky players? I don’t understand why the center position is a priority (throw the kitchen sink) when our 1-3 are dreadful?

Edit meant to respond to @whatthe
 
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