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Hardy isn’t the guy for this job. It isn’t working

FalseFlagg K said:
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I can be persuaded. What’s the argument for defending Hardy?

I see a coach that has the Jazz in purgatory. A coach that doesn’t make the playoffs ever but also isn’t bad enough to make them one day be good.

I see someone that plays head games with players, destroys young player’s confidence, and plays mediocre vets who haven’t done anything way too many minutes.

He has the Jazz sitting in the one area of the standings they can’t be this year and we’re 30% of the way through the season.

Svi has played 60 more minutes this season than Ace & nearly double the minutes of Sensabaugh/clayton/collier.

Nurkic has played more minutes than Flip & more than double the minutes of Hendricks.

Given the dynamic of the Jazz those facts are crazy.

Then last night in a game the Jazz were down more than 30 points the entire game, he gives Svi 33 minutes & senabaugh/collier only played 6. There’s no excuse for that to ever happen.

Why do Svi and Nurkic get a free pass for horrible play and unlimited minutes? It serves no purpose. It’s moronic and it’s only going to leave the Jazz where they are right now, 4 years into this mess.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I can be persuaded. What’s the argument for defending Hardy?

I see a coach that has the Jazz in purgatory. A coach that doesn’t make the playoffs ever but also isn’t bad enough to make them one day be good.

I see someone that plays head games with players, destroys young player’s confidence, and plays mediocre vets who haven’t done anything way too many minutes.

He has the Jazz sitting in the one area of the standings they can’t be this year and we’re 30% of the way through the season.

Svi has played 60 more minutes this season than Ace & nearly double the minutes of Sensabaugh/clayton/collier.

Nurkic has played more minutes than Flip & more than double the minutes of Hendricks.

Given the dynamic of the Jazz those facts are crazy.

Then last night in a game the Jazz were down more than 30 points the entire game, he gives Svi 33 minutes & senabaugh/collier only played 6. There’s no excuse for that to ever happen.

Why do Svi and Nurkic get a free pass for horrible play and unlimited minutes? It serves no purpose. It’s moronic and it’s only going to leave the Jazz where they are right now, 4 years into this mess.
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I believe Brice and Collier have reserved rooms in Hardy's prestigious kennel club.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I can be persuaded. What’s the argument for defending Hardy?

I see a coach that has the Jazz in purgatory. A coach that doesn’t make the playoffs ever but also isn’t bad enough to make them one day be good.

I see someone that plays head games with players. Destroys young player’s confidence, and plays mediocre vets who haven’t done anything way too many minutes.

He has the Jazz sitting in the one area of the standings they can’t be this year.

Svi has played 60 more minutes this season than Ace & nearly double the minutes of Sensabaugh/clayton/collier.

Nurkic has played more minutes than Flip & more than double the minutes of Hendricks.

Given the dynamic of the Jazz those facts are crazy.

Then last night in a game the Jazz were down more than 30 points the entire game, he gives Svi 33 minutes & senabaugh/collier only played 6. There’s no excuse for that to ever happen.

Why do Svi and Nurkic get a free pass for horrible play and unlimited minutes? It serves no purpose. It’s moronic and it’s only going to leave the Jazz where they are right now, 4 years into this mess.
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I think you’re conflating FO failures with coaching failures. The reason the Jazz are in “purgatory” is a result of FO decisions. Tanking comes from the FO, and it looks like there is no directive for him to tank or play certain players. You can’t blame him for playing the vets and trying to win in the meantime. He has shown to be a very willing participant in whatever plan the FO has, so it’s not like he’s rebelling or anything.

At this point, I’m not sure how good of a coach Hardy is. But I don’t think this situation looks much different with any other coach.
 
HermanG said:
Give me a break. His system is 100% obvious and he even tells it to media. Play well and do the right things, and you get minutes. Its not rocket science.

He even micromanages the youth minutes within games based on how the kids play. He gave WCJ 29 minutes and TH 24 minutes last game, when they both were feeling it. They werent "entitled to those minutes" based on history... but they deserved them just based on playing well in that particular game. There are tons of coaches who wont do that, but instead have glued their rotations into the back of their eyelids and will not change them even between games, no matter how the kids perform.

Futhermore, Key was NOT held accountable year 1, and was allowed to play through his mistakes including some dumb temper tantrums. That resulted in almost ZERO progress for year 2. Then year 2 Hardy made him come off the bench and reduced his green light and role, sending him a warning in the process... and that resulted in significant progress coming into this year.

Every single coach in the NBA plays head games to some extent, but thats part of developing actual professional atheles instead of entitled divas who are more interested in their image/bags than they are about actually competing in this sport.
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Well, your whole argument falls apart when you just check at Svi's game log. The guy logged 0-5 for for a dub in 22min with a game score of -2.9 (not sure how anyone can get a minus gamescore) then immediately got rewarded with 30min the next game just two days later. Even just three days ago, shot 1-8 for 3pts in 18min then immediately gets rewarded with 33min the next game, as he was absolutely dynamic in these mins, providing 6pts and 3TO. “Entitled to the minutes”. No?

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And here's a look at Hardy's anti-svi project that is Brice Sensabaugh:

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Averaged 17ppg the first two games on 13/24 shooting then immediately gets rewarded with 11min the next game. Complete fell out of rotation by game 7 & 8. Truly master level of management.

I'm sorry but when has “micromanaging” become a good thing, especially for young players who needs confidence and complete trust from his coach for making those young silly mistakes?

He gave TH and WCJ mins last game not because they were feeling it, but because we were blown out of our own building and Hardy was simply giving his "scrubs" some extra burns so he can preserve his precious Svi/Nurk/Love for the next game.

Also kinda funny how you use Key as an example towards the end and pretend that he's some kind of success story and ready to compete on the biggest stage because I just don't see him chucking up 16 shots a game for any team that wants to compete for the playoffs. How much are you willing to overpay to keep him?
 
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jom2003 said:
Well, your whole argument falls apart when you just check at Svi's game log. The guy logged 0-5 for for a dub in 22min with a game score of -2.9 (not sure how anyone can get a minus gamescore) then immediately got rewarded with 30min the next game just two days later. Even just three days ago, shot 1-8 for 3pts in 18min then immediately gets rewarded with 33min the next game. “Entitled to the minutes”. No?

www.basketball-reference.com

Svi Mykhailiuk 2025-26 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

Get Svi Mykhailiuk's 2025-26 game by game stats along with wins and losses stats on Basketball-Reference.com
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And here's a look at Hardy's anti-svi project that is Brice Sensabaugh:

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Brice Sensabaugh 2025-26 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

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Averaged 17ppg the first two games on 13/24 shooting then immediately gets rewarded with 11min the next game. Complete fell out of rotation by game 7 & 8. Truly master level of management.

I'm sorry but when has “miscromanaging” become a good thing, especially for young players who needs confidence and complete trust from his coach for making those young silly mistakes?

Especially funny how you use Key as an example towards the end and pretend that he's some kind of success story and ready to compete on the biggest stage because I just don't see him chucking up 16 shots a game for any team that wants to compete for the playoffs. How much are you willing to overpay to keep him?
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Lmao. Using efficiency as an argument against him? REALLY?

Svi is playing a low usage spacing role with a TS of 61.1 despite a very difficult shot diet. He has the best FG% and 3P% of all the starters despite being mostly an off ball spacer and outlet who gets all kinds of trash grenades handed to him when we inbound the ball with seconds on the playclock. He is also the 2nd best movement shooter we have, which is very valuable for off ball spacers. He isnt really 3&D because the D is mostly missing... but there is absolutely no comparison between his spacing impact and that of Cody/Hendricks... and that benefits Key and Lauri greatly.

So arguing that "oh Svi is not entitled to minutes because he had this bad game" is super weak when the dude is one of our most efficient scorers despite a low volume. He steals minutes but he doesnt steal that many touches and usage.

Furthermore if you think statistics is the top thing a head coach uses to evaluate how his players execute on the court then this cannot ever turn into a serious conversation. I would say role/fit, executing the scheme and decission making are all more important to the coach than raw production. Hardy likes what he gets from Svi, and while I dont like watching him but I do see why he is out there.
 
jom2003 said:
Well, your whole argument falls apart when you just check at Svi's game log. The guy logged 0-5 for for a dub in 22min with a game score of -2.9 (not sure how anyone can get a minus gamescore) then immediately got rewarded with 30min the next game just two days later. Even just three days ago, shot 1-8 for 3pts in 18min then immediately gets rewarded with 33min the next game, as he was absolutely dynamic in these mins, providing 6pts and 3TO. “Entitled to the minutes”. No?

www.basketball-reference.com

Svi Mykhailiuk 2025-26 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

Get Svi Mykhailiuk's 2025-26 game by game stats along with wins and losses stats on Basketball-Reference.com
www.basketball-reference.com www.basketball-reference.com

And here's a look at Hardy's anti-svi project that is Brice Sensabaugh:

www.basketball-reference.com

Brice Sensabaugh 2025-26 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

Get Brice Sensabaugh's 2025-26 game by game stats along with wins and losses stats on Basketball-Reference.com
www.basketball-reference.com www.basketball-reference.com

Averaged 17ppg the first two games on 13/24 shooting then immediately gets rewarded with 11min the next game. Complete fell out of rotation by game 7 & 8. Truly master level of management.

I'm sorry but when has “miscromanaging” become a good thing, especially for young players who needs confidence and complete trust from his coach for making those young silly mistakes?

He gave TH and WCJ mins last game not because they were feeling it, but because we were blown out of our own building and Hardy was simply giving his "scrubs" some extra burns so he can preserve his precious Svi/Nurk/Love for the next game.

Also kinda funny how you use Key as an example towards the end and pretend that he's some kind of success story and ready to compete on the biggest stage because I just don't see him chucking up 16 shots a game for any team that wants to compete for the playoffs. How much are you willing to overpay to keep him?
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I didnt really respond to the Brice part, but you are just proving what I said there. Brice was hot in few games and got good burn, but then he played like trash and got his minutes cut down.

In the Phoenix game you referenced Brice got subbed in midway through first quarter as he did in games 1 and 2. He just outright sucked in that game so Hardy cut 8-9 2nd half minutes from his PT... which is exactly what he also did with Svi in that 0-5 game you referenced.
 
HermanG said:
Lmao. Using efficiency as an argument against him? REALLY?

Svi is playing a low usage spacing role with a TS of 61.1 despite a very difficult shot diet. He has the best FG% and 3P% of all the starters despite being mostly an off ball spacer and outlet who gets all kinds of trash grenades handed to him when we inbound the ball with seconds on the playclock. He is also the 2nd best movement shooter we have, which is very valuable for off ball spacers. He isnt really 3&D because the D is mostly missing... but there is absolutely no comparison between his spacing impact and that of Cody/Hendricks... and that benefits Key and Lauri greatly.

So arguing that "oh Svi is not entitled to minutes because he had this bad game" is super weak when the dude is one of our most efficient scorers despite a low volume. He steals minutes but he doesnt steal that many touches and usage.

Furthermore if you think statistics is the top thing a head coach uses to evaluate how his players execute on the court then this cannot ever turn into a serious conversation. I would say role/fit, executing the scheme and decission making are all more important to the coach than raw production. Hardy likes what he gets from Svi, and while I dont like watching him but I do see why he is out there.
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Well said. The premise is totally absurd. No shooter should be "rewarded" or "punished" based on how he happened to shoot on five attempts in one game.
 
Peter_Mentor said:
Well said. The premise is totally absurd. No shooter should be "rewarded" or "punished" based on how he happened to shoot on five attempts in one game.
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Yeah not to mention the fact that the dude often runs around the court like a rabid race horse, which is the exact opposite to Brice who cheats on defense by living in no-mans-land and generally floats around on offense and spectates instead of sharply and constantly relocating to open spots.

Hardy wants off ball movement, activity and shooting from his off ball wings, and Svi does those things much much better than Brice, Cody or TH.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I can be persuaded. What’s the argument for defending Hardy?

I see a coach that has the Jazz in purgatory. A coach that doesn’t make the playoffs ever but also isn’t bad enough to make them one day be good.

I see someone that plays head games with players, destroys young player’s confidence, and plays mediocre vets who haven’t done anything way too many minutes.

He has the Jazz sitting in the one area of the standings they can’t be this year and we’re 30% of the way through the season.

Svi has played 60 more minutes this season than Ace & nearly double the minutes of Sensabaugh/clayton/collier.

Nurkic has played more minutes than Flip & more than double the minutes of Hendricks.

Given the dynamic of the Jazz those facts are crazy.

Then last night in a game the Jazz were down more than 30 points the entire game, he gives Svi 33 minutes & senabaugh/collier only played 6. There’s no excuse for that to ever happen.

Why do Svi and Nurkic get a free pass for horrible play and unlimited minutes? It serves no purpose. It’s moronic and it’s only going to leave the Jazz where they are right now, 4 years into this mess.
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Nurkic is the only center on the roster. He also helps make a lot of players better with his passing

Svi has played well. When he plays worse his minutes usually get cut a bit. He has a future on the team as he has two more years on his contract at the minimum and is currently overplaying his contract. He has more of a future on the team than Cody or Brice do.
 
What happened with Hardy recently that I missed? On the radio this morning they were talking about something he did and discussing how some of the players are sick of him and have checked out.
I had no idea what they were talking about. Seemed like something that happened publicly, maybe on Sunday?

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fishonjazz said:
What happened with Hardy recently that I missed? On the radio this morning they were talking about something he did and discussing how some of the players are sick of him and have checked out.
I had no idea what they were talking about. Seemed like something that happened publicly, maybe on Sunday?

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I really don't know, but it could have been this maybe?


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ph4wgj/will_hardy_chews_out_his_jazz_players_during_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
 
This clip has gone viral because it's closeup on film....but what do people suppose it sounds like when we can see coaches chew out their players all the time? I bet this happens all day everyday around the league lol.
 
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