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Hardy isn’t the guy for this job. It isn’t working

HermanG said:
Lmao. Using efficiency as an argument against him? REALLY?

Svi is playing a low usage spacing role with a TS of 61.1 despite a very difficult shot diet. He has the best FG% and 3P% of all the starters despite being mostly an off ball spacer and outlet who gets all kinds of trash grenades handed to him when we inbound the ball with seconds on the playclock. He is also the 2nd best movement shooter we have, which is very valuable for off ball spacers. He isnt really 3&D because the D is mostly missing... but there is absolutely no comparison between his spacing impact and that of Cody/Hendricks... and that benefits Key and Lauri greatly.

So arguing that "oh Svi is not entitled to minutes because he had this bad game" is super weak when the dude is one of our most efficient scorers despite a low volume. He steals minutes but he doesnt steal that many touches and usage.

Furthermore if you think statistics is the top thing a head coach uses to evaluate how his players execute on the court then this cannot ever turn into a serious conversation. I would say role/fit, executing the scheme and decission making are all more important to the coach than raw production. Hardy likes what he gets from Svi, and while I dont like watching him but I do see why he is out there.
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I'm not comparing Svi to TH and definitely not Cody. I'm comparing him to Brice so answer the question. Everything you praised about Svi absolutely applied Brice as the kid went through the whole year last season shooting 61% on TS and was our best offball shooter by a mile(Lauri was going through a down year) Averaged better numbers than Svi across the board last year in less minutes. So why does he now get placed in a dungeon in favor of Svi? Isn't that double standard & preferential treatment or what?

And educate me on this whole "scheme/gameplan/the fit” thing because aren't we trying to tank this year? A gameplan that consistently get you blown out and probably will earn us no more than 30 wins the whole season isn't worth much of my time. I mean this isn't Svi's first season playing. ****. This isn't even his best season. He had two seasons where he averages 10pts ppg and got immediately released the following years by the 22 win OKC and 27 win Charlotte. Come back to me with those Hardy's "master gameplan" when we are serious about winning.
 
HermanG said:
I didnt really respond to the Brice part, but you are just proving what I said there. Brice was hot in few games and got good burn, but then he played like trash and got his minutes cut down.

In the Phoenix game you referenced Brice got subbed in midway through first quarter as he did in games 1 and 2. He just outright sucked in that game so Hardy cut 8-9 2nd half minutes from his PT... which is exactly what he also did with Svi in that 0-5 game you referenced.
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So why did Svi immediately get to play 30min just a game after his 0-5 performance and went 1-4 for 3pts? It was against the Charlotte ****ing hornets where he managed to be a -15. Brice scored 7pts in 8 min in that same game btw. By your theory, why didn't Svi get benched for his poor play way before he reach the 20min mark? Why did he get to stay in while Brice had to watch from the bench?

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Just admit it. Svi shouldn't be playing this much minutes no matter what. And we are all sick and tried of it. The fans, the players and the media. There is no defending this.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I believe Hardy is a great basketball coach, but he’s not right for this Jazz rebuild. All he’s done is botch it.

He’s been hell bent on playing mediocre veterans pointless big minutes his entire time here. He plays head games with the young players and destroys their confidence. The Jazz draft picks as a whole aren’t developing (maybe his fault, maybe not, but the fact still stands).

This rebuild has mostly been botched so far. It’s ridiculous where the Jazz sit in the standings and we still have games Svi is playing 30+ minutes and Sensabaugh/Collier play 6. It’s absurd to be giving Nurkic & Love such big minutes over Filipowski & Hendricks.

There’s so many issues. You can visibly see the young players frustrated and the mind games mess with their confidence.

If the Jazz were in the playoffs, or the vets were helping the Jazz be a bottom 3 team, it would make sense. But they’re doing nothing to help. It’s year 4 of this and it’s rinse and repeat the same story every year. I’m done with Hardy.
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It's not up to Hardy to decide whether the Jazz should aim to win or lose their games. Hardy has been giving Svi and Nurk a lot of playing time because he thinks that's our best chance to win, and coaching to try to win is clearly what Hardy has done so far this season. Here's my take on what went down. When the season ended, Ryan decided he was done with shenanigans and wanted his team to focus on winning their games (maybe he received too many complaints from folks paying him big bucks to attend the games). Then he talked about it with Austin, who said sure we can forget shenanigans, try to win our games, and still keep the pick, and he made trades he believed would make our roster bad enough to tank organically. But our tank has been sputtering so far. Will be interesting to see where we go from here - if anything changes.
 
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KqWIN said:
This clip has gone viral because it's closeup on film....but what do people suppose it sounds like when we can see coaches chew out their players all the time? I bet this happens all day everyday around the league lol.
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Yeah imagine the **** Sloan would say. Yikes!
 
Give him a year where we aren’t tanking. You can’t judge a coach when we are actively TRYING to lose. The one year we tried is his first year then we made trades. And now we’re playing without Kessler who is most of our defense, a couple of lottery picks that really haven’t panned out (especially Cody) and a rookie in the starting 5. I don’t care if you’re Pat Riley or Phil Jackson or Sloan you are not going to win in that situation.
 
Max Porter said:
Give him a year where we aren’t tanking. You can’t judge a coach when we are actively TRYING to lose. The one year we tried is his first year then we made trades. And now we’re playing without Kessler who is most of our defense, a couple of lottery picks that really haven’t panned out (especially Cody) and a rookie in the starting 5. I don’t care if you’re Pat Riley or Phil Jackson or Sloan you are not going to win in that situation.
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The Jazz are playing two guys at the 5 who might not be in the NBA next year, that's the main crux of the defensive issue.
 
jom2003 said:
I'm not comparing Svi to TH and definitely not Cody. I'm comparing him to Brice so answer the question. Everything you praised about Svi absolutely applied Brice as the kid went through the whole year last season shooting 61% on TS and was our best offball shooter by a mile(Lauri was going through a down year) Averaged better numbers than Svi across the board last year in less minutes. So why does he now get placed in a dungeon in favor of Svi? Isn't that double standard & preferential treatment or what?
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Brice plays the wrong way. He cheats on defense, doesnt close out well, does absolute doghouse worthy things like helps on the strong side off of great shooters. Also he has shot worse this year than laat year and isnt a guy who plays with high energy.

Is there any reason why Brice should play over Svi?
jom2003 said:
And educate me on this whole "scheme/gameplan/the fit” thing because aren't we trying to tank this year? A gameplan that consistently get you blown out and probably will earn us no more than 30 wins the whole season isn't worth much of my time. I mean this isn't Svi's first season playing. ****. This isn't even his best season. He had two seasons where he averages 10pts ppg and got immediately released the following years by the 22 win OKC and 27 win Charlotte. Come back to me with those Hardy's "master gameplan" when we are serious about winning.
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You cannot be blind enough to think Hardy is tanking. Even the FO isnt right now. Thats the main gripe for 90% of the people in here, so even if you dont watch the games please at least read the messages of others instead of just voicing your opinions.
 
jom2003 said:
So why did Svi immediately get to play 30min just a game after his 0-5 performance and went 1-4 for 3pts? It was against the Charlotte ****ing hornets where he managed to be a -15. Brice scored 7pts in 8 min in that same game btw. By your theory, why didn't Svi get benched for his poor play way before he reach the 20min mark? Why did he get to stay in while Brice had to watch from the bench?

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Just admit it. Svi shouldn't be playing this much minutes no matter what. And we are all sick and tried of it. The fans, the players and the media. There is no defending this.
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You are trying strawman stuff with 1 game samples. Im not gonna tell you why the coach chose A or B in a single moment, but he isnt wrong in the big picture.

Svi plays with higher energy, shoots better and executes Hardys preferred style of play better than Brice.

Why dont you quote their whole season advanced/efficiency/epm/bpm or whatever metrics? Because all you got is single game straws.
 
HermanG said:
Brice plays the wrong way. He cheats on defense, doesnt close out well, does absolute doghouse worthy things like helps on the strong side off of great shooters. Also he has shot worse this year than laat year and isnt a guy who plays with high energy.

Is there any reason why Brice should play over Svi?

You cannot be blind enough to think Hardy is tanking. Even the FO isnt right now. Thats the main gripe for 90% of the people in here, so even if you dont watch the games please at least read the messages of others instead of just voicing your opinions.
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So...are you saying Svi plays the right way? We are probably the only team in the league where he gets rewarded with a career high 26 min per game.

How hard is it for you to see this. We aren't just tanking. We are also bad, OK? Given the **** that went down over the last 3 seasons, I'm not sure you can make a whole lot of distinguishing between the two. It's not either or, you can be both. We are clearly a bad team right now and a lot of it falls on Hardy's bad coaching and management. If you put bad players in your rotation, you just gonna suck naturally no matter how much "energy" you give. Not rocket science.
 
HermanG said:
You are trying strawman stuff with 1 game samples. Im not gonna tell you why the coach chose A or B in a single moment, but he isnt wrong in the big picture.

Svi plays with higher energy, shoots better and executes Hardys preferred style of play better than Brice.

Why dont you quote their whole season advanced/efficiency/epm/bpm or whatever metrics? Because all you got is single game straws.
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Svi has -1 OBPM and -1.6DBPM for a total BPM of -2.6. has an ortg of 119 and drtg of 126 for a net rtg of -7. He also has a VORP(value over replacement player) of -0.1 meaning the player subbed in usually brings more value than him. See? He's been a negative player for us no matter what metrics you look at.

And with everything you said, I'm sure you definitely read my previous message on Brice inability to get into a rhythm due to him being *****ed on by Hardy. How can you possibly expect a young kid to play well when he gets subbed out immediately after missing a shot or missing a defensive assignment and benched for the rest of the game, while Svi gets to do the exact same but gets a freepass to stay in the game?

I'm sure it was Svi's tremendous energy that helped us stay only within 30pt behind OKC in that blowout the last game. SGA wasn't even playing btw.
 
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jom2003 said:
Svi has -1 OBPM and -1.6DBPM for a total BPM of -2.6. has an ortg of 119 and drtg of 126 for a net rtg of -7. He also has a VORP(value over replacement player) of -0.1 meaning the player subbed in usually brings more value than him. See? He's been a negative player for us no matter what metrics you look at.

And with everything you said, I'm sure you definitely read my previous message on Brice inability to get into a rhythm due to him being *****ed on by Hardy. How can you possibly expect a young kid to play well when he gets subbed out immediately after missing a shot or missing a defensive assignment and benched for the rest of the game, while Svi gets to do the exact same but gets a freepass to stay in the game?

I'm sure it was Svi's tremendous energy that helped us stay only within 30pt behind OKC in that blowout the last game. SGA wasn't even playing btw.
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Yeah ypu bring up Svi numbers but not Brices? Well done not doing what was asked but reverting to new straws.

No one here is saying that Svi is great. But he is still better than Brice, and plays better within the system.

Claiming that Hardy has unfounded favoritism towards a 28 yo no-name ukrainian is just dumb.
 
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