ESPN Top 25 Under 25
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But Utah also has great outdoors. There are enough players drawn to that, like Lauri. All OKC had to work with was a brand-new franchise, a minor city in the middle of nowhere and...Oklahoma.
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Tremendous Upside
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The list is literally full of guys playing on small market teams with no hope or direction.
Also, there's hardly any bad defenders on the list. There's a LOT of very good ones. Defense matters.
Keyonte is still an awful defender.
Reed Sheppard? I like him, but c'mon. He's had like 3 good games in his career.
Also, keep an eye on Cedric Coward. See what he looks like when we play Memphis tonight.
Also, keep an eye on Cedric Coward. See what he looks like when we play Memphis tonight.
He has over a 5.0 BPM. I thought he sucked when I watched to start the year, but he's been an animal since that point.
Tanktastic
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Keyonte has no business being on that list. Kessler might have a gripe, right at the back end of that list at best though.
Even if we're going purely on offensive production, Keyonte still probably doesn't make. And of course he's one of the worst defenders in the league, which still is 50 % of the game.
Even if we're going purely on offensive production, Keyonte still probably doesn't make. And of course he's one of the worst defenders in the league, which still is 50 % of the game.
Must be living under a rock with that Sheppard take.
He's been good for like 3 weeks, and he's still mostly a defensive liability.
No idea why you're trying to make this seem like he's only been good for a section of the season. In reality he had a tough couple first games and has been fire since. His total year has been great and he's an impactful defender. 86th percentile in pure DRAPM this season.
The Jazz hunted him defensively and played him off the floor less than 2 weeks ago. It's one of the main reasons the Jazz beat the Rockets and Keyonte put up 28 pts.
Reed is averaging a respectable 13/3/3 and he has some decent advanced stats, but he's not one of the top 25 young players in the league. He's certainly not better than Keyonte or Walker. Statistically, he still hasn't caught up to Cason Wallace.
On ball defense isn't the only thing that matters on defense, and ironically you keep looking at anecdotal games to prove your point. You went from Shep having only 3 good games, to 3 weeks, to now citing one game to try to prove your point. Stop moving the goal post and just look at his whole season. For the whole season his defensive playmaking has far outweighed his on ball defense. That is very evident based on how the Rockets defend when he's on the court.
Advanced Numbers >>>>>>> per game numbers.