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1/10/2015: Jazz @ Rockets 6PM MST

zbone said:
1. There is no C and PF in Jazz offense. They are big men. On defense play the best match up.
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False-- but cute and idealistic, nonetheless. Unfortunately, the NBA is about roles, and roles need to be discrete and defined. Who are you going to regularly start with Gobert moving forward?


2. That's most disturbing about it. Having Millsap and Ingles replacing Burks didn't hurt us at all on either end.
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Primarily because we had improvements in other areas of the roster to balance the drop-off in 2-guard production: namely the emergence of Trey Burke, and Rudy Gobert. Basketball is a team-sport. Of course, you're being intentionally disingenuous so I'm not surprised that you cannot fathom this.
 
zbone said:
I never said Burks is a chucker. He is a black hole stalling Jazz offense with aimless dribbling and horrific pick and roll play. Maybe it's his injury or Snyder instructions but his penetration drives this season are mostly toothless.
Inconsistent shooting is mostly him taking long jumpers which sometimes sink, but mostly not. His set 3pt shot is good this season, I agree. He also notorious for taking bad shots early in the clock late in fourth. We lost some close games because of that this season alone.
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Loving the conjectures you're pulling out of your ***, with minimal factual basis behind them.
 
dalamon said:
False-- but cute and idealistic, nonetheless. Unfortunately, the NBA is about roles, and roles need to be discrete and defined. Who are you going to regularly start with Gobert moving forward?
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At this point it's Favors hands down.
dalamon said:
Primarily because we had improvements in other areas of the roster to balance the drop-off in 2-guard production: namely the emergence of Trey Burke, and Rudy Gobert. Basketball is a team-sport. Of course, you're being intentionally disingenuous so I'm not surprised that you cannot fathom this.
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Lol, so Gobert's minutes increased by 7 and one of the worst starting PG's in the league replaced Burks' production. Oh, Joe "Bum" Ingles, Dante "Little Hope" Exum and Elliot "Who?" Williams also contributed, pardon me.
What a stud!
 
zbone said:
At this point it's Favors hands down.
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Of course-- Favors stringing together repeated 20/10 games had a huge factor in our recent successes. Unless Kanter accepts 3rd-big money and role, then he has no spot on this team.

Lol, so Gobert's minutes increased by 7 and one of the worst starting PG's in the league replaced Burks' production. Oh, Joe "Bum" Ingles, Dante "Little Hope" Exum and Elliot "Who?" Williams also contributed, pardon me.
What a stud!
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See above. Also, Burke quite often matched the play of some top-shelf PGs over the past couple weeks-- he might have been the worst starting PG several weeks ago, but recently that's changing.

But again-- you have an agenda. The fact that you avoid discussing on a factual basis asserts this. Not sure why I'm bothering.
 
dalamon said:
See above. Also, Burke quite often matched the play of some top-shelf PGs over the past couple weeks-- he might have been the worst starting PG several weeks ago, but recently that's changing.
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As a huge Burke critic, I can admit that. I'm a Jazz fan first, so I've always said I hope I'm wrong about Trey. If he can play like he has the pat two weeks, especially his shooting and defense, the Jazz are a MUCH better team.

The huge factor in all of this, which Hayward, Favors and Burke have mentioned, is having the Big Eraser behind them. Make a mistake and Gobert can often cover. Even if he doesn't block a shot, his shadow often causes players to double clutch, which gives the original defender a chance to recover.
 
dalamon said:
See above. Also, Burke quite often matched the play of some top-shelf PGs over the past couple weeks-- he might have been the worst starting PG several weeks ago, but recently that's changing.

But again-- you have an agenda. The fact that you avoid discussing on a factual basis asserts this. Not sure why I'm bothering.
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Ahem, I am not saying Burks is a scrub.
I am arguing Burks is not a potential franchise player because in his absence team had +6 Off/Def swing. Better play by Burke and Favors can negate loss of a potentially franchise player in his 4th year but not make team way better.
 
zbone said:
Ahem, I am not saying Burks is a scrub.
I am arguing Burks is not a potential franchise player because in his absence team had +6 Off/Def swing. Better play by Burke and Favors can negate loss of a potentially franchise player in his 4th year but not make team way better.
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potential franchise player ?? lol
Kanter has potential and i like a lot of things about him, but he basically collects some baskets and doesn't influence the game one iota
 
DownUnder said:
potential franchise player ?? lol
Kanter has potential and i like a lot of things about him, but he basically collects some baskets and doesn't influence the game one iota
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Exactly, Burks and Kanter to me are in the same mold. They are solid rotational players at this point giving you a different look. Kanter still has more upside left in him but my hope deflates with every game tbh.
 
zbone said:
Ahem, I am not saying Burks is a scrub.
I am arguing Burks is not a potential franchise player because in his absence team had +6 Off/Def swing. Better play by Burke and Favors can negate loss of a potentially franchise player in his 4th year but not make team way better.
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I'm glad you're arguing that Burks isn't a franchise player with me, even though I have never said anything close to that since the second he joined this Jazz team.

We got in this discussion because you believed that Burks getting a contract meant Kanter was getting one as well. I disagreed-- that was the discussion we were supposed to have.

I'm glad you back-pedalled on your stance, but I'm not sure why you're arguing this with me now. Burks is not our franchise player, and I doubt he ever will be. And that's perfectly fine. He doesn't need to be.


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dalamon said:
I'm glad you're arguing that Burks isn't a franchise player with me, even though I have never said anything close to that since the second he joined this Jazz team.

We got in this discussion because you believed that Burks getting a contract meant Kanter was getting one as well. I disagreed-- that was the discussion we were supposed to have.

I'm glad you back-pedalled on your stance, but I'm not sure why you're arguing this with me now. Burks is not our franchise player, and I doubt he ever will be. And that's perfectly fine. He doesn't need to be.
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Fair enough then.
My point still stands though - I don't see Kanter going anywhere unless he opts for QO and one of the reasons for that is because we extended Burks.
 
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