#1 Pick to Utah?

[Yell42]

if we cant find a way to get Wiggins or Exum its going to be very disappointing

 

[cowhide]

Yes, they may hesitate to do the deal for Wiggins. Wiggins is a "long-term" project. Everyone agrees Parker is more NBA-ready. Parker in Utah sells out EVERY Jazz game. He makes merchandise FLY off the shelves. He absolutely ENERGIZES a fan base that has become morose the last two years. Wiggins doesn't have the same effect. Maybe in 2-3 years he develops into the same type of scorer and the Jazz start to win > 50%. But even if the Jazz only improve from 25 to 35 wins with Parker next season, the team gets more publicity, sells more tickets and merchandise, etc.

And remember, I'm the one who has been saying Parker is over-rated. I still think Favors + Vonleh (my #5 favorite) would be too much. But at this point, the Embiid injury has changed EVERYTHING. It's likely Gordon, Randle, Smart and a damaged Embiid are the options at #5, not one of either Vonleh or Exum as before (I'm guessing Exum and Vonleh will be the 3/4 picks in some order). So the draft dynamics have changed.

I rather get Wiggins but if the Jazz also want the 10 pick then I do the trade. I don't know if I would do it simply for Parker especially since another report is saying he weighed 254 and 11 body fat when he worked out for the Bucks. Now they might be making the numbers up but that is what is being reported. However, if I could Parker and Gordon or Vonleh then I do the deal.

 

[cowhide]

We finally get Wiggins and you want to trade him out? Whaaaaa? The 3 pick keeps us from getting Parker or Wiggins and puts us in Exumville. No Thanks. I guess I'll live with Exum if he falls to us at 5, but I'm not blowing past Wiggins to get there. Chances are the guy you get at 10 is a good bench player. Exum and a good bench player aren't worth Wiggins. If you want another lottery pick, deal with Sacramento and give them salary relief. If we are losing Favors, we have money to burn! If we get Wiggins, even Hayward is expendable. The 8 pick will at least give you one of Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, Randall, or even Embiid. The 10 pick gets you McBuckets, maybe.

Then offer #35 and the #10 for #8. Again I said I would only do it if the Jazz had a chance to get Gordon which most likely won't happen even though many of the mocks have him at 10. There is a good chance that the Bucks take Exum if Embiid and Wiggins are off the board. So Philly is left with Exum or Vonleh instead of getting there own guy. Besides they have Noels who will be a rookie this year so they might be ok with basically giving away the 10 pick.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I rather get Wiggins but if the Jazz also want the 10 pick then I do the trade. I don't know if I would do it simply for Parker especially since another report is saying he weighed 254 and 11 body fat when he worked out for the Bucks. Now they might be making the numbers up but that is what is being reported. However, if I could Parker and Gordon or Vonleh then I do the deal.

Just do a 3 way trade where the Jazz draft Wiggins, Bucks Draft Parker, Philly Drafts Exum. At that point, Jazz trade Wiggins and #23 for Parker and #10, Bucks trade Parker for Exum and #23, Philly trades Exum and #10 for Wiggins. Each team gets the player they truly want at the spot they think he should go.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Hoopshype has the the jazz are interested in Embiid at #1??? At #5 ok, but to lose favors or Kanter for the next Greg Oden... PASS



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[Jazz4ever]

The big question is will the Millers allow DL to trade Favors? Remember when he was signed to the extension? All I heard from the Millers is why can't every player be like Favors and how can we keep Favor here for his career? Some of that might be lip service. I get the feeling that a lot of it is the truth. Will the Millers tell DL no if the opportunity is there?

In the CHad Ford David Locke podcast, Ford said Wiggins is an exceptional kid and thinks he would be more likely to stay with the Jazz over his career than Parker.

 

[dy47]

Let's let our core play at least one season with their new coach before we start trading them

 

[UGLI baby]

Let's let our core play at least one season with their new coach before we start trading them

Or just improve the team by any means necessary.


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[That1UtahFan]

Let's let our core play at least one season with their new coach before we start trading them

Dumb post is dumb.
Who on our team is an all-star caliber player? IMO Favors is pretty close to his ceiling and Burks could grow but I'm not seeing all star. Why is anyone on a team who got what 25 wins untouchable? If you think Wiggins or Parker (Preferably Wiggins) will be a multiple all star type player why not go after them?


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

My main concern over this is who's going to play defense. Favors may not get much better, but he might. He is our #1 defensive presence. Let's not forget that these players, probably all of them to some extent, have been mishandled and poorly coached by Corbin. A better coach could make all of them better if they are used properly. Not saying I would definitely not do this, but I would really hate to see Favors go.

There is no reason to believe Favors won't continue to improve.


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[The Fresh Prince]

Don't let the numbers and teammates fool you. Tomic is a below average defender on a good day. I'm a Tomic homer and would love to see him on the Jazz.
Let's not lie to ourselves about him though. He'd be destroyed OVERALL on defense in the NBA. Sure he'll block some shots, and bother some people but overall he will
be a speed bump in this league. I've watched a good number of his games over the years. Yes, he has improved at defense. Yes, he has bulked up a little. He is still
very poor on defense. The NBA will only exacerbate these deficiencies even more.

With all that said, again his offense is so skilled I'd love to see him come over. Him and Kanter on defense might drive us crazy though.

Memo and Boozer, Defense Edition 2.0

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Let's let our core play at least one season with their new coach before we start trading them

Us folks in Long Beach must be a special kind of stupid, eh?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Dumb post is dumb.
Who on our team is an all-star caliber player? IMO Favors is pretty close to his ceiling and Burks could grow but I'm not seeing all star. Why is anyone on a team who got what 25 wins untouchable? If you think Wiggins or Parker (Preferably Wiggins) will be a multiple all star type player why not go after them?


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You are underestimating our young players. Other then Burke, I can make a case for all of them.

Favors is not at his max yet. His offense has improved leaps and bounds the last two years. His footwork has also just started to improve, and starting to develop a 10-15 foot jumper that should continue to develop, and let's see what he can do in his second full year of playing 30 minutes or more.

Kanter has yet to get the consistent minutes Favors got last year. The offense should get better playing 30 minutes a game, and maybe with a decent coach he can learn the concept of help defense and be pushed to give more effort on that side of the court.

With Burks it's simple. He has all of the physical tools it takes to be a very good player. The question is can he develop the mental side of the game. Like Kanter he hasn't gotten the consistent starter minutes Favors and Hayward have received. Harden didn't take off until he was traded to Houston and became a starter. For all we know Burks would just take off in a starter role getting 30 minutes a game.

Hayward is close. He was one of three players to get 15/5/5 last year. Hayward was put into a position he's never been in before in the pros. Teams believed if you stop Hayword you stop the jazz. There was rarely a time where he found himself wide open. He had to shoot it in a hurry and on the move. Also the jazz, after losing sap and Al, the jazz were forced to lean on Hayward. Favors offense wasn't ready yet. Burks and Kanter were bench players. The other three could all be in the starting lineup, and be improved over last year this coming year. I could easily see Burks and Kanter as the # 1&2 options on the team, leaving Hayward as the third option and getting back to being a spot up shooter and slasher/playmaker.

Add some solid role players, and this team might be set.

Also, what if we just draft Embiid at 5... We can just redshirt him his rookie season becaues we'd still have Favors and Kanter with Gobert on the bench then the next year trade Favors or Kanter, either one would get us a solid vet/draft pick to further build this team.

This is still a very young team and needs time to develop as a team. Championships aren't built in a day, unless you can sign King James.


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[fishonjazz]

I worry about favors back and plantar faciaitis. And his lack of passion and offensive game.

Favors is solid and i love him (bought his jersey) but do this trade and get some wiggins

 

[Hotdog]

I worry about favors back and plantar faciaitis. And his lack of passion and offensive game.

Favors is solid and i love him (bought his jersey) but do this trade and get some wiggins

That, and he hasn't figured out how to stop fouling offensively and defensively. Also, his offensive game hasn't got any better.

 

[silesian]

OMG

1)If this happened, you pick Embiid.

You would give up favors and the 5 to get Embiid at 1, who will almost definitely be available at 4, 50% chance he'd be there at 5.

May happen if Lindsay has a complete brain malfunction. Would be worst trade in NBA history.

 

[Doublea]

I was just thinking what it would be like to have a top player in the league. It would be awesome. Get this done.

 

[silesian]

Let's let our core play at least one season with their new coach before we start trading them

So if you had a choice of upgrading the talent our new coach has to work with, or sticking to the kids we have, you stay the course?

Pretty shaky there.....

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So if you had a choice of upgrading the talent our new coach has to work with, or sticking to the kids we have, you stay the course?

Pretty shaky there.....

But we really Haven't given them a chance to develop together as a team. Stockton and Malone didn't win anything together for a very long time.

 

[cowhide]

But we really Haven't given them a chance to develop together as a team. Stockton and Malone didn't win anything together for a very long time.

How nice would it have been if the Jazz could have gotten them more talent.