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Thats the problem thriller, not a lot of shooters. Only real shooters are Barnes, Hamilton and Honeycutt but no one seems to like the last two and Barnes will probably stay at NC. Also Jimmer (sigh) but I dont consider him a stand still shooter
 
I remember half of this board thinking Hayward was a bad shooter. One poster even though he was worse than Brewer......
 
If Vesley is there at #12 it is a no brainer to take him, but with the #5-#6 I would say no. Vesley has continually been put in in the top five for a lot of mock drafts so yea if he is available at #12 I think you would have to take him.

Smack has moved up to #7 in Draft Express's Mock Draft and in ESPN's Lottery Mock Draft Simulator the default picks have him at #7. I am definitely on board with taking Smack with the #5 pick, unless we can get Irving or Williams I want Biyombo.

Regarding the #12 pick, I really have nobody who I really want yet. The obvious pick would be Jimmer, but I say no no no. Someone like Kawhi Leonard or Alec Burks would be great choices for the Jazz at #12. Actually now that I think about it my preferences assuming the Jazz don't move up are Bismack Biyombo at #5 and Kawhi Leonard/Alec Burks at #12.
 
You said the majority of them were "utter trash". Would you still say that is the truth? Because I don't know where they taught you math, but 50% is not a majority.......

50/50 is what you say, bro. That list is trash. You do not pick 5 percent of those players in the top 15, much less top 5. So really, what is your point? My point is that euro player rarely turn into anything more than role players. I would take brandon knight over any of these euros. He has starpotential, and that is what we need, not some project euro.
 
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50/50 is what you say, bro. That list is trash. You do not pick 5 percent of those players in the top 15, much less top 5. So really, what is your point? My point is that euro player rarely turn into anything more than role players. I would take brandon knight over any of these euros. He has starpotential, and that is what we need, not some project euro.

Brandon Knight is a project also.
 
If Vesley is there at #12 it is a no brainer to take him, but with the #5-#6 I would say no. Vesley has continually been put in in the top five for a lot of mock drafts so yea if he is available at #12 I think you would have to take him.

Smack has moved up to #7 in Draft Express's Mock Draft and in ESPN's Lottery Mock Draft Simulator the default picks have him at #7. I am definitely on board with taking Smack with the #5 pick, unless we can get Irving or Williams I want Biyombo.

Regarding the #12 pick, I really have nobody who I really want yet. The obvious pick would be Jimmer, but I say no no no. Someone like Kawhi Leonard or Alec Burks would be great choices for the Jazz at #12. Actually now that I think about it my preferences assuming the Jazz don't move up are Bismack Biyombo at #5 and Kawhi Leonard/Alec Burks at #12.

I could see Vesley slipping along with a couple of other Euros, it depends on how teams feel about drafting from Europe.
 
Ok, but not anywhere near any of these intl players yall keep pimpin. I mean b knight played major minutes on a final four team and improved dramatically as the season progressed. Intl players are barely role players for their current teams.

I like Knight too, but I dont like that as a 6'4 PG he shot such low % from the field. He seems to be a good shooter to, which would suggest his finishing skills arent that great.
 
50/50 is what you say, bro. That list is trash. You do not pick 5 percent of those players in the top 15, much less top 5. So really, what is your point? My point is that euro player rarely turn into anything more than role players. I would take brandon knight over any of these euros. He has starpotential, and that is what we need, not some project euro.

You must be kidding me. Of course I wouldn't pick 5% of those players in the top 15! Most of them weren't even picked in the top 15 when they were drafted. My point is that you said the majority of the European players drafted were "utter trash". That's a direct quote. I proved that wrong.

Now on to your other points that these players don't get playing time....

Jonas Valanciunus averages 15 minutes with 7 ppg and 6 rpg against GROWN MEN.
Biyomobo averages 17 minutes with 6 ppg, 5 rpg and 2 bpg against GROWN MEN.
Vesely averaged 24 minutes with 10 ppg and 4 rpg against GROWN MEN.

For comparison, at the same age, Brandon Jennings (who would have been a top college player btw, on the same level as Brandon Knight at the least) averaged 19 minutes while playing in Europe.

Maybe you don't understand this, but there is a difference between playing grown men and playing against college athletes whom the majority of which will never even be good enough to play in Europe. They're no more of a project than somebody like Knight at all. You've just seen USA college players play more, so you think they're more developed. Based on your thinking, Robert 'Tractor' Taylor should've been better than that prospect Dirk Nowitzki.

Oh and since you said my list is trash, I encourage you to go through that list and tell me which of them sucks and why. Looking forward to it.
 
Seriously you have far too much time on your hands. Good for you. You think those players are are worth argueing about? Shoot, keep fighting the good fight son. I maintain my stance, utter trash. If it bothers you so much that i have this opinion LULZ!!! In your mind your the winner. Yipity ****in harrah for you. I really dont care if you disagree me.
 
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