2014 College Football
- Thread starter Safetydan
- Start date
D
Deleted member 365
Guest
This.
The bigger scar is the whole independence thing.
I think the entire program is suffering from what the eggheads on top have decided. The coaches are frustrated. The players are frustrated. They don't like having their season's end with one loss. They don't like playing decent high school teams in an empty stadium in November. And fans ultimately want to see this program in a p5 conference. Rumor has it that the Big 12 is interested in Memphis and Cinn. So yesterday's loss surely didn't help.
If it takes going back to the MWC then you do it. BYU needs to have a conference. In the MWC, they will find themselves in 3 out of the next 5 big bowl games. I think the entire athletic department would see a surge in excitement and moral. Dave Rose won't say it (Unlike Bronco, who has been very vocal), he hates playing in high school gyms and would much rather be in the MWC.
Ask Holmoe what he thinks... He too would like to see BYU in (any) conference at this point.
Unfortunately, the businessmen who decided to go independent have so far trumped the well-being of the athletic departments.
I think the brawl was a perfect statement about BYU's athletic department right now. Everyone is tired and frustrated from being pushed around and only the players seem to have each others' backs.
gregbroncs
Well-Known Member
They were the lead advertised story for sportscenter during halftime for the Monday night football game. It looks horrible for the image whether you want to believe that or not.
Duck Rodgers
Well-Known Member
I'm well aware that it's in the news cycle. I'd be watching the fight over and over again no matter who was involved too. But that's just the social media world circa 2014 for you. Everyone e on twitter is talking about how awesome it was. It's easily 9/1(with the 1 being Ute fans pretending they are offended) being seen as just a manning up thing. Comments like, "I didn't know Mormons could throw down like that." In what world is that a bad thing? Certainly not one involving football.
Coach Ellis
Well-Known Member
Yeah. Nacua threw himself into the fray and #94 didn't respond until after punches were thrown. Makes the cheap shot look even worse now. Haven't seen anything with #40 in it. Looks like he didn't do anything to Kai. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing I've seen so far where a BYU player was the instigator. That sucker punch probably needs to be dealt with, but the rest is just defending themselves in a highly volatile situation.
D
Deleted member 365
Guest
This.
Again, I find it hilarious that the "most offended" are Utah fans.
The more you folks are "over" us the more confirmed I see that you just aren't. Be honest, Uties, you miss your old boyfriend... Badly. CU just isn't cutting it.
Talk to your AD. Cowgirl up and play us.
UGLI baby
Well-Known Member
UGLI baby
Well-Known Member
Please never change.
I love the BYU rivalry and hope it doesn't die. As a Utah fan, it was incredible to play USC, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, and Michigan all in the same year. Every game in the PAC12 is an awesome "big time college football" experience - win or lose - and obviously 100 times better than the old days when Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State, etc. would come to Rice Eccles. But personally, not playing in a rivalry game, a true rivalry game kind of sucks.
Michigan has three true rivals (Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan State) and I would love to see Utah get there as well - it does not have to just be BYU. Although the BYU game should happen every year. Hopefully the Utes get back to playing the Cougars consistently, Colorado turns into something (maybe a fight needs to break out at the end of one of their games), and maybe Oregon State with Gary Anderson will turn into a great rival- I could see it. The last two or another team from the PAC12 will take some time to develop though.
Point being, I don't think a majority of Utah fans want to see the BYU game go away. Those who pretend like they don't care are just pushing buttons and talking smack. For most Utah fans, its way too much fun beating BYU to have that game just disappear.
7StraightIsGreat
Well-Known Member
Once again, BYU fans miss the point. I'm not seeing a lot of offended Ute fans. I'm seeing an awful lot of amused Ute fans. And of course, Ute fans are going to have the biggest reaction. After decades of having the "living right" and "classes" smack talk thrown in our direction, it's going to solicit a strong response from Utah fans when it's BYU having players involved in situations in which they're getting into fistfights at Rancharitos with patrons, brawling on the football field, and having a very vocal anti-Utah Max Hall get in the mess he was just in.
Don't like Utah's response? Talk to the BYU coaches, players, and fans that have been responsible for shoving their better than you, holier than thou agenda down Utah's throats for as long as we can remember. Has it been everybody involved with BYU? Obviously not, but it certainly exists. Guys like Lenny Gomes, Austin Collie, and Max Hall (just to name a few) have made this bed for BYU. Fair or unfair, people are going to pile on that school when things go ****house and they only have themselves to blame.
And as far as Utah "missing their old boyfriend", with each passing day more and more Ute fans are coming around to the idea that never playing BYU again would be just fine. Count me in as one of 'em. Right now, Utah is watching their old boyfriend struggle in the dating pool. 1-and-3 against MWC schools and losing to a mid-major Memphis in their bowl game isn't really doing much in the way of making Utah feel like they need to come running back to them. In fact, it's the old boyfriend watching their ex go on to bigger and better things without them. That's gotta sting worse than a Memphis helmet.
7StraightIsGreat
Well-Known Member
I can tell you with 100% honesty that I'm not missing the game. The rhetoric and animosity from both sides leading up to the games started to take away from the enjoyment IMO. It will take time for Utah to forge some true rivalries in the PAC, but I'm willing to be patient. I've enjoyed this football season as much as I ever have and that was without BYU on the schedule. You can speak for yourself, because there is certainly not a void in my life when they're off the schedule.
Coach Ellis
Well-Known Member
BYU made a huge mistake going independent when they did. They were hoping to build the type of freedom that Notre Dame has, but they're just not good enough. They need to affiliate with a conference as soon as they can.