2016 NBA Season Notes/Info

[The Midnight]

Just to level out your neediness:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?51156-George-Hill-coming-to-Utah/page4&p=1244857#post1244857

ALso: Cleveland with a collective off-night against Atlanta. The Hawks accuracy doesn't reflect their shot selection and the Cavs 3p% was a result of many open or semi-contested 3s being missed by usually good shooters. Hawks played hard though and deserved it considering the circumstances.

Another thing I really hate and saw twice tonight is how the rules are concering injured players. I think they're the same in NBA and FIBA.
When Gorgui Dieng landed on Whitehead's face, he knew that he didn't land on the floor. Why not signal that something happened?
Ppl always talk about how sports should teach kids real life ethics and stuff. Maybe the ethics in America are vastly different, but in Germany you're obliged to reach someone in trouble a helping hand to the best of your ability. When Dieng causes the potential injury himself and knows something didn't feel right, I think it's ****ed up to not even look at the guy you just stepped on and signal the referee immediately that something could've happened.

Similar thing happened to Muscala who fell on his back after a put back. Those falls can result in heavy injuries. But the rules stating that play is interrupted when your team has possession or when the referees decides to initate it. It's really weird to me.

Dieng should have said something, but there was something worse than that. The Nets were about to inbound the ball with Whitehead lying on the floor. The REF WHO STOOD LESS THAN 5 FEET AWAY FROM ALL THIS DID NOTHING. ALL HE DID WAS LOOKING AROUND AT THE NETS BENCH TO SEE IF THE COACH WOULD CALL A TIME OUT. THE NETS COACH FINALLY CALLED A 20 SECOND TIMEOUT AT WHICH TIME THEY ALL RUSHED TO SEE IF HE WAS OK.


Why was there no protocol for the Ref to step in at this point considering it's potentially a serious head/concussion injury. Surely this is WAYYYY more important than whether or not the Nets would burn a timeout to see if the player was OK.


The NBA cannot rely on players like Dieng to do the right thing, but they can set up a process in which the REF CAN STEP IN WHEN THEY SEE IT AND DO THE RIGHT THING.


I was actually quite angry about all this when I first saw it. SERIOUS INJURIES SHOULD NOT TAKE A SECOND SEAT TO THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME OR A SIMPLE TIMEOUT CALL.

 

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BTW [MENTION=2500]BTP[/MENTION], I'm impressed you watch so many non-Jazz games even though it must be early hours in the morning German time.

 

[BTP]

BTW [MENTION=2500]BTP[/MENTION], I'm impressed you watch so many non-Jazz games even though it must be early hours in the morning German time.

I don't watch all Jazz games. I think I watch roughly 60% of em. The rest only in condensed highlights. Depends on what's happening. I was just interested in the election yesterday night and Hawks Cavs played at the same time. So why not connect the two?

 

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I don't watch all Jazz games. I think I watch roughly 60% of em. The rest only in condensed highlights. Depends on what's happening. I was just interested in the election yesterday night and Hawks Cavs played at the same time. So why not connect the two?

OH ok, I see, that make sense.. Hahaha...

 

[BTP]

Dieng should have said something, but there was something worse than that. The Nets were about to inbound the ball with Whitehead lying on the floor. The REF WHO STOOD LESS THAN 5 FEET AWAY FROM ALL THIS DID NOTHING. ALL HE DID WAS LOOKING AROUND AT THE NETS BENCH TO SEE IF THE COACH WOULD CALL A TIME OUT. THE NETS COACH FINALLY CALLED A 20 SECOND TIMEOUT AT WHICH TIME THEY ALL RUSHED TO SEE IF HE WAS OK.


Why was there no protocol for the Ref to step in at this point considering it's potentially a serious head/concussion injury. Surely this is WAYYYY more important than whether or not the Nets would burn a timeout to see if the player was OK.


The NBA cannot rely on players like Dieng to do the right thing, but they can set up a process in which the REF CAN STEP IN WHEN THEY SEE IT AND DO THE RIGHT THING.


I was actually quite angry about all this when I first saw it. SERIOUS INJURIES SHOULD NOT TAKE A SECOND SEAT TO THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME OR A SIMPLE TIMEOUT CALL.

Btw fun fact: In Germany you can face a prison sentence when a court manages to prove that you've indeed witnessed someone in situation where he needed help and chose not to. Human ethics should be included in the rulebook, even if it results in a player abusing that rule once a year to gain his team half a point. That player will face the backlash from fans, media, other players and referees no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Reason I singled out Dieng was that when your 250 lb body lands on an uneven surface like the jaw of another player that you just pushed to the floor with your lowered shoulder(and should have been called a charge) then you notice that unless you have nerve damage in your feet as a result of chemotherapy or whatever. You're the one who knows best how severe the injury of your opponent that you just injured could be apart from that person himself.

I'm also surprised that CLinton didn't win Ohio. I would have predicted before the election that the support of James could have really swung that state. I really thought he'd have that kind of personality to influence people's political orientation.

 

[The Midnight]

Btw fun fact: In Germany you can face a prison sentence when a court manages to prove that you've indeed witnessed someone in situation where he needed help and chose not to. Human ethics should be included in the rulebook, even if it results in a player abusing that rule once a year to gain his team half a point. That player will face the backlash from fans, media, other players and referees no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Reason I singled out Dieng was that when your 250 lb body lands on an uneven surface like the jaw of another player that you just pushed to the floor with your lowered shoulder(and should have been called a charge) then you notice that unless you have nerve damage in your feet as a result of chemotherapy or whatever. You're the one who knows best how severe the injury of your opponent that you just injured could be apart from that person himself.

I'm also surprised that CLinton didn't win Ohio. I would have predicted before the election that the support of James could have really swung that state. I really thought he'd have that kind of personality to influence people's political orientation.

Not surprised Clinton lost at all. Called it very early on. Nobody wants to admit supporting Trump but in that booth they made it clear.


Back to Dieng.. the NBA would do nothing to jeopardize the value of their products with the players are the main components, so unfortunately criminalizing the players is out of the question.


Because of that the Refs should be empowered by the NBA to step in imo. That would be very do too if they decide to look into it.

 

[BTP]

Not surprised Clinton lost at all. Called it very early on. Nobody wants to admit supporting Trump but in that booth they made it clear.


Back to Dieng.. the NBA would do nothing to jeopardize the value of their products with the players are the main components, so unfortunately criminalizing the players is out of the question.


Because of that the Refs should be empowered by the NBA to step in imo. That would be very do too if they decide to look into it.

I thought as much as the candidates were polarizing and emphasized personality in the election and how little actual politics played a role, America's most popular and recognizable current athlete might have a big impact to support one side when you consider how popular athletics are in general over there.

I'm also not trying to criminalize Dieng. I just wanted to give anecdotal context how willingness to help is viewed in another country.
The referees should be able to determine within 3 seconds at most to interrupt the game. I totally agree with you that the rules should empower and encourage them to do that more decisively.
Still think it's a poor move/shows poor awareness from Dieng not to recognize the situation he caused, regardless whether he misinterpreted the situation, didn't pay enough attention to his action or just tried to gain an advantage in transition defense.

For all the flopping and theatre that happens in soccer, soccer players by now are mostly very social in that regard in Europe and are aware of another player's injury and react to it in a sportsmanlike manner in time almost all the time(And their playing field is like 10 times as large and the distance they have from the action as well.

 

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I thought as much as the candidates were polarizing and emphasized personality in the election and how little actual politics played a role, America's most popular and recognizable current athlete might have a big impact to support one side when you consider how popular athletics are in general over there.

I'm also not trying to criminalize Dieng. I just wanted to give anecdotal context how willingness to help is viewed in another country.
The referees should be able to determine within 3 seconds at most to interrupt the game. I totally agree with you that the rules should empower and encourage them to do that more decisively.
Still think it's a poor move/shows poor awareness from Dieng not to recognize the situation he caused, regardless whether he misinterpreted the situation, didn't pay enough attention to his action or just tried to gain an advantage in transition defense.

For all the flopping and theatre that happens in soccer, soccer players by now are mostly very social in that regard in Europe and are aware of another player's injury and react to it in a sportsmanlike manner in time almost all the time(And their playing field is like 10 times as large and the distance they have from the action as well.

Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4OY6gJNX4

 

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do you really enjoy spending your whole life being argumentative just for the sake of it .. You so consistently just ignore the general point of what someone says just to stir up some **** that you can involve yourself in and puff your chest out about regardless of accuracy. Your act is tired, I'm done with it, it's like bickering with my 10 year old.

Don't mind him, he gets high off of it. He does it to everyone too so don't take offence.


We all have our vices, ... for me it's ice cream at 10pm, for him it's arguing with people... LOL

 

[BTP]

Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.

THat video isn't really conclusive IMO. One angle makes it look they took a power struggle too far and Rondo just happened to fall awkwardly. It was also a borderline confrontation/altercation between the two while play was live, so the situation was emotionally charged, explaining why Wade's initial reaction is to brush it off and walk away. Like the accident was a result of an incident, in other situations it's a basketball play that just ended unlucky without both players being visibly hostile towards each other.

I also don't think money is a legit justification to throw away good manners(even though it is a 'reason' in practice - as kids we're taught otherwise and as we grow up we learn how the adults we looked up to were often full of **** and hypocrits about what they taught us and most ppl react in a predictable way. They find ways to justify their own douchbaggery to themselves)

 

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Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4OY6gJNX4

Pls shutup

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