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2016 vs 2004

also, if we don't win @ LA,

we're only going to finish 2 wins better than last season. Not the sort of "leap" many of us were hoping for.
 
green said:
What did you expect when Exum went down?
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i didnt credit exum much for our success and i think it shows that i was wrong to do that. I expected mid 40's wins, even after exum went down. (45 wins would be an almost 20% improvement)

The lower bottom end in the west should've allowed this team, even with injuries, to reach 45 wins. Hell if they would've just won about half of their close games, theyd be at 45 wins.

i expected more
 
jope said:
i didnt credit exum much for our success and i think it shows that i was wrong to do that. I expected mid 40's wins, even after exum went down. (45 wins would be an almost 20% improvement)

The lower bottom end in the west should've allowed this team, even with injuries, to reach 45 wins. Hell if they would've just won about half of their close games, theyd be at 45 wins.

i expected more
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Locke said 1/2 way through the season we were the worst defensive team in the fourth quarter. We did improve later in the year when we traded for Mack, but Exum would have helped us a ton in that respect. I think we win 5 more games had Exum been healthy just based off his defense alone.
 
jope said:
That team finished 9th in the west as well.

the point is that, even with injuries, our current team has much more talent than that team, with less to show for it.
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The 2004 team was a scrappy bunch, with some tough veteran players (Harpring, Bell, Googs) and a HOF coach still at his peak. The current team is WAY softer, with the ONLY though guy being Booker - and he plays only 20 minutes per game. Gobert is somewhat imposing due to his size, but he is not strong enough yet. I'd would rate Hayward's physicality as only 'above average'. Favors often plays soft, since he prefers to shoot 15-foot jumpers instead of going inside. Add to this the overall lack of experience from both the players and the coaching staff and we can account for the well-documented Jazz difficulty to close games. Can they improve? Of course. Can they become a 50-win team? With the current personnel, I seriosly doubt it: Hayward has peaked and Favors is close to peaking (due to his physical ailments); Gobert doesn't have a high ceiling offensively; both Hood and Lyles have skills but are not that physical. Who the Jazz can rely on? Who can carry - or at least lead - this team forward? Sadly, I see no one.
 
The west was actually not as good as it is now in 2016. That team from 04 in the 2016 NBA western conference would win like 30 games


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green said:
Locke said 1/2 way through the season we were the worst defensive team in the fourth quarter. We did improve later in the year when we traded for Mack, but Exum would have helped us a ton in that respect. I think we win 5 more games had Exum been healthy just based off his defense alone.
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Truer words never spoken, except the words I use to second the first.


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jope said:
I just realized that our current team has officially finished with a worse record than the 2004 Jazz..

2004 Utah Jazz (42 Wins)

10 Man Rotation

Andrei Kirilenko
Matt Harpring
Carlos Arroyo
DeShawn Stevenson
Greg Ostertag
Raja Bell
Gordan Giricek
Jarron Collins
Tom Gugliotta
Raul Lopez
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D Steve was traded for Giri.

You're forgetting the addition of Mikki Moore as well. Dude played his *** off for us.
 
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