2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Alfalfa]

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His play has really fallen off... I think he has plantar injury he is playing through. I think they'd have to pony up a decent asset to move him now... problem is they won't put good picks on the table until they know they are getting one of the big FAs.

NYK can't wait to be rid of him.

Edit: Talking about their fan base.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What about TJ Warren as a possible stretch 4 target? I've seen his name come up recently in trade talks for the Suns. He's averaged over 18 PPG the last two seasons on close to 50% shooting and this year he's shooting a career high 43% from 3. He's played a lot as a small forward but this year he's played almost all of his minutes at power forward. I was recently reading a Salt City Hoops article that listed him as a possible trade target for the Jazz and they had us sending Thabo and Grayson for him but I'm not sure that's enough to get a deal done.

I like him, but I'm not sure his 3p shooting is real and he might be a good scorer on bad team type. I'm not sure why they would trade him and I'm not sure his defense is passable. Dude does get buckets but I think it may be empty calories. Tough to evaluate guys that have never been on a non-garbage team.

 

[LoPo]

Just a clarification... they didn't lowball him... they were restricted on how much they could offer. They offered the max that the CBA allowed them too.

Good point about how much they could offer, but then again, if they knew he was worth more and they were willing to pay more later, why waste his time with a potentially insulting number? Why get to the point where they had to stop contract negotiations?

Probably an irrelevant point...


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[Sandman822]

I'm out on Hardaway until his contract is done. He has 6th MOTY ceiling to me with his streaky and inconsistent shooting, wouldn't want to pay him starters money.

I'd be shocked if TJ Warren was really available and if he was Thabo and Grayson wouldn't be enough. Exum would likely be the guy you'd have to part with to grab Warren and iirc I don't think Igor thought highly of Exum in his time here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Good point about how much they could offer, but then again, if they knew he was worth more and they were willing to pay more later, why waste his time with a potentially insulting number? Why get to the point where they had to stop contract negotiations?

Probably an irrelevant point...


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Because maybe he signs it... it isn’t insulting to say “here is the most the cba allows us to offer we’d like to keep you”. Look at Dinwiddie... he locked in early at a number below his future market... they offered the most they could. They were limited by cba so it’s not an insult at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm out on Hardaway until his contract is done. He has 6th MOTY ceiling to me with his streaky and inconsistent shooting, wouldn't want to pay him starters money.

I'd be shocked if TJ Warren was really available and if he was Thabo and Grayson wouldn't be enough. Exum would likely be the guy you'd have to part with to grab Warren and iirc I don't think Igor thought highly of Exum in his time here.

I’m sad that I advocated for Tim early in the season... it’s a no go for me but I do think injury is part of his issue.

 

[MDAV28]

I disagree. Favors has almost zero advantages over PJ Tucker who is a scrappy lil sob who would torture Gobert if we didn't spread him out of the lane. Plus, a switch of Favors on Harden seems like a nightmare. Gobert has a tough enough matchup as it is.

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Yeah that’s not true at all. I take Faves over Tucker matchup.

 

[LoPo]

Yeah that’s not true at all. I take Faves over Tucker matchup.

Against Houston just this last playoffs, Favors averaged 18 minutes per game while PJ Tucker played 33.5 minutes per game.

Considering that Gobert averaged 34 minutes per game in that series, it's pretty obvious that Favors pretty much backed up Gobert in that series.

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[MDAV28]

Against Houston just this last playoffs, Favors averaged 18 minutes per game while PJ Tucker played 33.5 minutes per game.

Considering that Gobert averaged 34 minutes per game in that series, it's pretty obvious that Favors pretty much backed up Gobert in that series.

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Yeah that was my point. If Rubio didn't get hurt I think Faves plays more. Needed more shot creation down the line from Burks/Exum.

 

[LoPo]

Yeah that was my point. If Rubio didn't get hurt I think Faves plays more. Needed more shot creation down the line from Burks/Exum.

I don't see that correlation at all. Favors couldn't switch on Paul or Harden as well as Crowder and O'Neale. Rubio had nothing to do with that. If anything, Rubio might have limited Favors more but there is nothing that said Rubio would lead to more effectiveness by Favors.

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[Sandman822]

You can't play both Favs and Gobert against a team like the Rockets who 90% of the time are looking to get one of those guys to switch onto two of the better ISO scorers in the league in Harden and CP3 and let those guys attack Favs/Gobert whenever they want, because on the other end you can't abuse the mismatch of Favs on Tucker because Gobert is taking up the real estate that Favs would need to work in, which also means that Capela is on hand to help defensively without really having to leave his man.

It's not a matter of not having Rubio means that they needed more shot creation on the wings, you simply can't play the two together against a team like the Rockets. Same applies against the Warriors when they pull out lineups with Green at the 5 or if Boogie is at the 5 and KD is at the 4, and those two teams were the championship standard last season.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't see that correlation at all. Favors couldn't switch on Paul or Harden as well as Crowder and O'Neale. Rubio had nothing to do with that. If anything, Rubio might have limited Favors more but there is nothing that said Rubio would lead to more effectiveness by Favors.

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I didn't explain that well. Jazz were having trouble creating with Mitch as the sole creator. Burks played a lot more (and played well) and in a way he took Faves minutes he was playing at PF. Favors can hold his ground decently. I mean there's a reason we still start and play him and Gobert together, and that's because there are benefits, specifically defensively and in offense PNR. I think Faves plays much more if Rubio didn't go down, especially considering the starting lineup was amazing in the regular season and playoffs. If you forgot we weren't all the competitive in the Rox series.