Miggs
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I forget. Did he show **** beyond playing against chairs like that Asian dude the Bucks drafted about 15 years ago? Can he defend a chair? I’m guessing he’s a poor man’s Zingy…who’s meh btw.
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I forget. Did he show **** beyond playing against chairs like that Asian dude the Bucks drafted about 15 years ago? Can he defend a chair? I’m guessing he’s a poor man’s Zingy…who’s meh btw.
He's been on the radar of several (certainly not all) draft-oriented sites for a while now. Some see him as a late first-rounder to mid-second rounder. Here's why I think he's not an obvious first rounder:
- Strength. Getting a good weight reading on him is hard, but it's not a stretch to imagine that he's still south of 200 lbs. Unlike Poku last year, he's not the youngest guy in the draft (he's 20, I think), either. He may be able to get the weight/strength he needs to survive in the NBA, but it's not a given. Since he has basically no mid-range game, he's going to have to prove that he can finish at the rim at least adequately.
-Shot. He has to shoot it to survive, I think, and there are real questions about this. I happen to be optimistic, but there are no guarantees.
-Toughness. I think he plays with a good motor/energy, but that's not the same as saying he has NBA toughness. Given his lack of strength, he has a lot to prove.
-Production. Given the rather mediocre league he plays in, stat lines of just under 10 points, 5 rebounds, .6 blocks a game on 38% from the field aren't setting the scouting world on fire. He'd be drafted much more on potential than production at this point.
(I should say that I buy his height. I also think he will be able to survive on defense if the toughness/strength issues work themselves out. He's quick enough and long enough to be effective. I didn't see any glaring issues from the game I was able to watch of him from a season ago (below). Incidentally, he spent some time guarding our old friend Shelvin Mack in that game. But he's by no means a Kirilenko type defensively. If he succeeds defensively, it's coming first on the perimeter rather than the interior.)
EDIT: Vrenz first checks into the game at about the 27:00 mark. In the second half I think he similarly plays near the end of the third quarter and into much of the fourth.
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Yeah, I am 100% all in on getting Vrenz (assuming there isn’t a catastrophic flaw/shortcoming/problem we don’t know about). The closest thing I’ve seen to a skill set that may help cushion the blow of losing Ingles (who he may end up superior to in basketball terms).
The nice thing (perhaps) is his getting on the court would Be contingent on earning it. I’m not worried about him getting to the rim and I would chastise him taking mid-range shots at this stage in his career. His job would be to take open 3s, and if closed out hard on, drive it and make a play. I don’t think in his early career he’d be a priority in an opponent’s scouting report which should buy him some opportunity to work out some of the finer points and skills between his shooting, vision, and passing.
As far as raw production, he played 24 minutes a game and stats tend to be more depressed in European leagues/style of play. And I’m also not looking for him to come in as a star. I actually don’t mind prospects with high upside coming in as role players because there is less adjustment.
Time is on his side on working out the shortcomings while having a skill set that could get him on the court immediately.
I certainly wouldn't object to the Jazz taking him, though there are also some others I like in this draft.
Vrenz is participating in the Jazz/Wolves group workouts in Minnesota this week. He'll be working out against bonafide 2nd round prospects--like Luke Garza, Aaron Henry, Jericho Sims, Moses Wright, Neemias Queta, etc. We'll see what he looks like next to NBA athletes.
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Assuming the Jazz stay at #30, their pick should be one of the following 10 guys:
-- Guards: Butler, Dosunmu, Mann, Christopher, Hyland
-- Wings: Murphy, Thor, Prkacin, Brown, Bleijenberg
At least 4 of those guys should be available when the Jazz pick.
-- Guards: Butler, Dosunmu, Mann, Christopher, Hyland
-- Wings: Murphy, Thor, Prkacin, Brown, Bleijenberg
At least 4 of those guys should be available when the Jazz pick.
Miggs
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Garza isn’t an nba athlete imo
If Vrenz Bleijenberg's measurements are real, he's the same size as JT Thor, minus one inch of wingspan. He claims to be 6'10" w/o shoes, 208 lbs, with a 7'2" wingspan.
I think he's a 3.
Vrenz handles, passes and moves better than today's version of Porzingis. Vrenz is a wing.
Miggs
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I doubt he’ll be able to remotely defend the good wings in the league though. I mean, the rebounding numbers alone are a major red flag. Even if he is planted at the 3 point line.
Thor is 6'8.5" w/out shoes. I'm buying Vrenz as 6-10 with shoes. More skeptical on without shoes.