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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Ferguson_Mellochill said:

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That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
 
HermanG said:
That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
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He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
 
HermanG said:
That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
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Also if you watch enough college basketball you would know how incredibly congested the paint is... very few drives end up looking super clean. NBA spacing is a real thing.

I love what I've seen from Whitmore thus far. Definitely top 5 guy for me (remember I have 12 top 5 guys).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
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First off, you have to excuse me since I dont get to watch that much college ball. Thats why I dont usually discuss in this thread. I do enjoy you, Mello, HH and others discuss these kids and watch most of the clips.

Secondly, your post suggests driving the ball against smaller defenders cannot be a dumb decission, yet following things are all true:
1) He missed his initial shot
2) If #22 of Penn has better defensive fundamentals, he draws a charge there easily
3) Whitmore needed a good bounce to get that putback chance. Not like he played it off the backboard on purpose

But if what @Handlogten's Heros said is true and they all hang out in the paint and thats the way of the world in college, then I guess its ok. You are correct that 1 on 1 that defender had 0 chance to stop him, but the moment he was doubled was the moment he could have made a better decision. I will still stand by my words, and do not like that play in NBA context. (or the fact that commentators were way off base with their "slicing through defenders" remark)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also if you watch enough college basketball you would know how incredibly congested the paint is... very few drives end up looking super clean. NBA spacing is a real thing.

I love what I've seen from Whitmore thus far. Definitely top 5 guy for me (remember I have 12 top 5 guys).
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I trust you guys in your assessments. No matter how many top 5 guys you got.

I guess I'm more of a finesse and strategic basketball guy than a power basketball guy. I do like a good slam, including that one in the end. But the stuff leading up to the slam.... not my cup of tea.
 
HermanG said:
First off, you have to excuse me since I dont get to watch that much college ball. Thats why I dont usually discuss in this thread. I do enjoy you, Mello, HH and others discuss these kids and watch most of the clips.

Secondly, your post suggests driving the ball against smaller defenders cannot be a dumb decission, yet following things are all true:
1) He missed his initial shot
2) If #22 of Penn has better defensive fundamentals, he draws a charge there easily
3) Whitmore needed a good bounce to get that putback chance. Not like he played it off the backboard on purpose

But if what @Handlogten's Heros said is true and they all hang out in the paint and thats the way of the world in college, then I guess its ok. You are correct that 1 on 1 that defender had 0 chance to stop him, but the moment he was doubled was the moment he could have made a better decision. I will still stand by my words, and do not like that play in NBA context. (or the fact that commentators were way off base with their "slicing through defenders" remark)
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You're missing the forest for the trees my man. No player has 100% success rate for drives. The impressive part is he drives, gets contact, maintains balance through the contact, gets a good shot off, then has the ability to recover and quickly jump.

When he gets in the NBA you'll teach him to kick to the corner shooter or in the NBA the corner shooter's man will be staying home and he will have a much easier time driving. Either way, the play was impressive.

Now, if over the course of the season you see him constantly driving in traffic and throwing up bad shots and it's a pattern where he can never see the pass or get a better shot, that's a different thing. But this play isnt about that. It's about his physical abilities.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You're missing the forest for the trees my man. No player has 100% success rate for drives. The impressive part is he drives, gets contact, maintains balance through the contact, gets a good shot off, then has the ability to recover and quickly jump.

When he gets in the NBA you'll teach him to kick to the corner shooter or in the NBA the corner shooter's man will be staying home and he will have a much easier time driving. Either way, the play was impressive.

Now, if over the course of the season you see him constantly driving in traffic and throwing up bad shots and it's a pattern where he can never see the pass or get a better shot, that's a different thing. But this play isnt about that. It's about his physical abilities.
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I see. As I said, I trust you in your judgement with these guys, since I don't watch enough college hoops so I always kinda move that stuff directly to NBA context.

I will just leave critical scouting for the more experienced ones like yourself, and stick to applauding good plays.
 
This guy has a good summary of the top 20 prospects in the class, starting at 16:47. I agree with a lot of his takes. If I were the Jazz, I'd be hoping for an elite wing in the top 8 (e.g., a Thompson, Whitmore, Jackson), a potential lead guard in the late lottery (e.g., Black, Wallace), and either a wing shooter (e.g., Howard, Dick) or a versatile big (e.g., Baba, Leonard Miller) in the late teens or early 20s.


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now with Sexton out indefinitely they are probably going to struggle some as they have been with the bench unit. Unless Hardy wakes up the Beast aka King Ochai
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
This guy has a good summary of the top 20 prospects in the class, starting at 16:47. I agree with a lot of his takes. If I were the Jazz, I'd be hoping for an elite wing in the top 8 (e.g., a Thompson, Whitmore, Jackson), a potential lead guard in the late lottery (e.g., Black, Wallace), and either a wing shooter (e.g., Howard, Dick) or a versatile big (e.g., Baba, Leonard Miller) in the late teens or early 20s.


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I think we end up with one pick in the 11-14 range... one in the mid teens and one in the 20s. Hoping we can package the one in the 20s with a future pick to jump into the 11-16ish range. Or package the one in the 11-14 range with a future first to jump to 7-8.
 
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