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Handlogten's Heros said:
And its a game plan that lead to a huge amount of success.

Yeah IDK... I just see him having huge amounts of success doing the same thing. Its similar to the issues Steph and others cause... when you have pressure points that are 25 feet from the basket it can really stress out a defense and open up a lot of things. I think he has some off the dribble scoring chops as well... maybe not a full iso stuff but off of screens handoffs etc. Even when a guy like that scores like 15 points it can have a huge impact because of all the attention they get without having the ball.
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Sure, but what other skills has Hawkins for sure have? His lack of in-between and rim finishing worries me. Was he just a player in a perfect situation?

Not really trying to say he is bad, I love him and have all year. I just dont think he is worth a top 10 and I dont think he will be there at 16. So I think Strawther is just a better value play as he has a lot of the shooting (though not the crazy movement stuff which is valuable) and gives you more defensive/offensive versatility.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure, but what other skills has Hawkins for sure have? His lack of in-between and rim finishing worries me. Was he just a player in a perfect situation?

Not really trying to say he is bad, I love him and have all year. I just dont think he is worth a top 10 and I dont think he will be there at 16. So I think Strawther is just a better value play as he has a lot of the shooting (though not the crazy movement stuff which is valuable) and gives you more defensive/offensive versatility.
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I just don't see too much concern with an in between game in college... just not a lot of space for a perimeter guy to do a lot of work there. He is athletic enough to mash on people so I think in NBA space the finishing changes a bit.

I'd rather have Hawkins at 11/12 (say we traded up) than Strawther at 28. I get the argument... just saying where I would be.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Another draft musing inspired by Locke:

How much distance is there between Jordan Hawkins and Julian Strawther?

If Hawkins is being talked about as a potential top 10 pick and you can get Strawther at 28, which is better?
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i've seen too much of strawther. just don't see him as an nba player. i also don't think you take hawkins top 10 and i might be his biggest fan.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
True, but his team's entire game-plan was also setting screens for him to get open and a lot (dont have the exact number) of his 3's came off of UConn's excellent offensive rebounding ability.
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the entire defensive game plan was to not let him get open - they had a guy face guard him all game and came at him with a second player if that guy got picked off. he simply didn't many good looks game to game. of the few good looks he got, a lot of them came off of offensive rebounds - but it's a small number to begin with.
 
locke loves him some stats - heck i do too - i'm a big stats/production guy. probably too big as a lot of the misses i've had over the years are due to me valuing production too much. but you have to supplement stats with actually watching games (not highlights, but full games). that's what locke doesn't do.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
locke loves him some stats - heck i do too - i'm a big stats/production guy. probably too big as a lot of the misses i've had over the years are due to me valuing production too much. but you have to supplement stats with actually watching games (not highlights, but full games). that's what locke doesn't do.
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Its the same with Hollinger's board when it comes out... stats are helpful but it needs to be supplemented with scouting and projection. Its all a balance.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i've seen too much of strawther. just don't see him as an nba player. i also don't think you take hawkins top 10 and i might be his biggest fan.
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At #9 I think Hawkins, Dick, Wallace, Hendricks, Black are all defendable.

I think that Dick would more likely be the surprise shooter that goes in the top 7... so I think Hawkins is less likely to go in the top 10. I think Hawkins is gone at 12 with OKC but who knows with them... they are full of surprises.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
the entire defensive game plan was to not let him get open - they had a guy face guard him all game and came at him with a second player if that guy got picked off. he simply didn't many good looks game to game. of the few good looks he got, a lot of them came off of offensive rebounds - but it's a small number to begin with.
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This is an interesting wrinkle I’ve never thought of. If you have enough defensive gravity pulling defenses out, it also might change the calculus on the impact of offensive rebounding.
 
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