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2024-2025 Tank Race

fishonjazz said:
I disagree with the first paragraph but whatever. This forum is a jazz fan forum. The jazz are as described. It's not a dream scenario. It's literally occuring right now. The jazz have a lot of draft picks coming up and low salary. The timeline is whatever they want it to be rather than this timeline that only ends when they draft LeBron or whatever. Again, there is no rule book for tanking.
At any point they can make the decision to make winning games in the present a priority. I will fully support that decision when they make and root to win every game we play like usual.
You are trying so hard to make this way more complicated than it is.
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Oh it definitely is a dream. We'll get Flagg, and if we don't get Flagg, then we'll just pivot and get Giannis ffs.

Sure, the Jazz can decide to change course at any point. Then all the tanking has been an abject failure, the whole strategy just a farce and the franchise has no direction. The owner has stated that the goal is a team that's contending for the championship year after year. Now saying that he's fine with going for the sixth spot in the West will cause explosive cognitive dissonance.

And I don't agree with people that think the Jazz can never get a Giannis, because no-one wants to be in Utah. It's not like Milwaukee is the bright lights of NYC... But no superstar will ever be fine being traded to a full-on dumpster fire of a tanking franchise - which the Jazz currently are.

And the Jazz had a lot of valuable assets quite recently. Now they've wasted six of those picks and have little to show for it. At the same time the Cavs picks have de-valued massively and any trade partner will value them at a fraction of a possible top10 pick. Any trade partner will want the Jazz picks, not the Minny picks and definitely not the Cavs picks.

There is no timeline and the Jazz have no control on their timeline.
 
Tanktastic said:
Oh it definitely is a dream. We'll get Flagg, and if we don't get Flagg, then we'll just pivot and get Giannis ffs.

Sure, the Jazz can decide to change course at any point. Then all the tanking has been an abject failure, the whole strategy just a farce and the franchise has no direction. The owner has stated that the goal is a team that's contending for the championship year after year. Now saying that he's fine with going for the sixth spot in the West will cause explosive cognitive dissonance.

And I don't agree with people that think the Jazz can never get a Giannis, because no-one wants to be in Utah. It's not like Milwaukee is the bright lights of NYC... But no superstar will ever be fine being traded to a full-on dumpster fire of a tanking franchise - which the Jazz currently are.

And the Jazz had a lot of valuable assets quite recently. Now they've wasted six of those picks and have little to show for it. At the same time the Cavs picks have de-valued massively and any trade partner will value them at a fraction of a possible top10 pick. Any trade partner will want the Jazz picks, not the Minny picks and definitely not the Cavs picks.

There is no timeline and the Jazz have no control on their timeline.
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Lol silly crybaby.
 
Tanktastic said:
The ones crying will be the ones who in three years time notice that the Jazz don't have Flagg or Giannis and all the picks are gone.
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No more reason to doom our chances than to overhype the few percentages our odds may improve with better tanking.

Both are equally invalid arguments. Whether we are 1st or 5th is pretty irrelevant, but what is not is that we need to get lucky and find a blue chip guy wherever we end up drafting.
 
Tanktastic said:
The ones crying will be the ones who in three years time notice that the Jazz don't have Flagg or Giannis and all the picks are gone.
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That would be the appropriate time to be sad, I agree.
Pre-emptively crying about it like some people are doing is a weird way to go about it but whatever.
 
I was hoping we'd be too good to tank and I always wanted us to fight for a playin instead, but now that we are where we are, I've checked out of the season and am just hoping for a good draft, really. With no relegation there is really very little to get excited about now.
 
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