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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

Well anyway, came up with this the other day:

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-I think we could take Huerter too and maybe send Svijang as sweeteners. So we get a premium 1st and premium 2nd for taking on a metric **** ton of negative salary.
-Sac gets a swap (hostage) back, which paired with Charlotte's fake-first equates to a real first = they get four 1sts
-Considering the above, five 1sts (none of their own), one 2nd, no swaps of their own, no good players, and a ton of garbage salary for a legit max player that pairs extremely well with the best player of the next 20 years is probably about fair. It’s pretty rich, so probably could shave a 1st off and be closer to fairness optimality.

Whatever.
 
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Nate505 said:
Haha, Lyles coming back would be funny, given his Utah bashing after he left.

Unless he was just cut.
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Could probably reroute for a 2nd.

(Doing a three team could keep him there which might be meaningful since King’s fans are, apparently and inexplicably, crazy high on him.)
 
It's hard to believe a Collins to Kings deal will actually happen given how much we hear about them already talked about doing a deal, and not getting it done.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Well anyway, came up with this the other day:

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-I think we could take Huerter too and maybe send Svijang as sweeteners. So we get a premium 1st and premium 2nd for taking on a metric **** ton of negative salary.
-Sac gets a swap (hostage) back, which paired with Charlotte's fake-first equates to a real first = they get four 1sts
-Considering the above, five 1sts (none of their own), one 2nd, no swaps of their own, no good players, and a ton of garbage salary for a legit max player that pairs extremely well with the best player of the next 20 years is probably about fair. It’s pretty rich, so probably could shave a 1st off and be closer to fairness optimality.

Whatever.
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Is it too much to get one other first or a swap? Other than that... I think this is very similar to a few ideas floating around. Do we give up Collins AND Sexton for 1 x 1st? Barnes is pretty much a cheaper version of Collins so there is still value there. But taking on all of that $$$ means we need compensation.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Is it too much to get one other first or a swap? Other than that... I think this is very similar to a few ideas floating around. Do we give up Collins AND Sexton for 1 x 1st? Barnes is pretty much a cheaper version of Collins so there is still value there. But taking on all of that $$$ means we need compensation.
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Barnes is a shell of himself. He’s fine, certainly not worth the remaining balance on his salary.

I think we could maybe/probably get two middling-to-late 1sts for Sexton and Collins. But the pick I am proposing the Jazz get is Minnesota ‘31 (for eating all the **** in the deal and for giving San Antonio Collins rather than Sacramento). Additionally, the 2nd we get back is our own which has a good chance of being - practically - a late 1st (like the pick that became Flip).

Somewhat related, the Spurs have amassed a ridiculous amount of layered swaps of multiple teams that were treated as throw-ins or hand outs and it’s quietly the smartest thing any team has been doing. Once you own enough volume of future firsts (and own all of your own), additional volume has rapidly vanishing returns. Their brain trust prioritizing quality at the expense of quality puts them - once again - ahead of everyone else (another angle here is that, for better or worse, trading swap rights on another team’s pick is basically impossible, so other teams can’t ask for them in trades).
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Barnes is a shell of himself. He’s fine, certainly not worth the remaining balance on his salary.

I think we could maybe/probably get two middling-to-late 1sts for Sexton and Collins. But the pick I am proposing the Jazz get is Minnesota ‘31 (for eating all the **** in the deal and for giving San Antonio Collins rather than Sacramento).

Somewhat related, the Spurs have amassed a ridiculous amount of layered swaps of multiple teams that were treated as throw-ins or hand outs and it’s quietly the smartest thing any team has been doing. No one can develop and roster three+ 1sts every year. Their brain trust prioritizing quality at the expense of quality puts them - once again - ahead of everyone else (another angle here is that, for better or worse, trading swap rights on another team’s pick is basically impossible, so other teams can’t ask for them in trades).
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Picks are always better than swaps because you cannot trade swaps. The Suns trade wedid is the best of all worlds because you get the benefit of getting an asset for swaps but still get the liquidity of being able to trade any of the 6 remaining picks in 25, 27, and 29. Those picks is are more valuable too because they are low side protected.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Scary Terry looks like he's going to get kicked out of the league for gambling.

HUGE win for the Heat as now they can void the rest of his contract.
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They likely turned his *** in.
 
framer said:
Picks are always better than swaps because you cannot trade swaps. The Suns trade wedid is the best of all worlds because you get the benefit of getting an asset for swaps but still get the liquidity of being able to trade any of the 6 remaining picks in 25, 27, and 29. Those picks is are more valuable too because they are low side protected.
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Sure, but it seems picks are overvalued and swaps are undervalued in negotiations. If it takes three (very likely, but not guaranteed) late firsts to acquire one mystery box 1st (with probably better-than-even odds of being a lottery pick but absolutely not guaranteed) because getting to the top of the draft is so valuable, how is it that the Spurs are giving themselves similar top-of-draft dice rolls for renting out modest amounts of cap space?

On that topic to further explain: draft pick returns for renting cap space in recent years has been quite poor, and I don’t even know the last time a team coughed up an unprotected pick in such an arrangement. Yet, the Spurs unprotected swaps (which basically convey the same chance at top-of-the-draft as would the pick outright) have got two in the last year IIRC.

Finally, and again, there might be value unto itself to not be able to trade another team’s swaps. For example, trades for disgruntled All NBA players with gas in the tank are often “empty your wallet, but it will cost at least x.” Another team’s swaps aren’t in your wallet, so if you have enough bills (picks) to satisfy the lower threshold of asking price, you might preserve some of your best assets.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's hard to believe a Collins to Kings deal will actually happen given how much we hear about them already talked about doing a deal, and not getting it done.
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It would be peak Kings to make a deal to try and make him happy and then fail and trade Fox in the offseason.

Spurs really should make a move for Collins or Sexton. Letting Wemby play the whole season in hard mode when they could easily accelerate things would be dumb.
 
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Tremendous Upside said:
People out here talking like Sexton is pretty much the same player as Fox. What the hell is happening?!??

Sexton has always been overrated by Jazz fans, but this... this is true insanity.

Collin still doesn't have anything resembling a market while Fox being on the block is front page news on ESPN.
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My new strategy to get you to STFU is to only speak to you in Kendrick Lamar diss lyrics.

For this reply, let’s start with this one:

“Like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.”
 
Not the sexiest return, but it seems like the Spurs could bite on this if they're deciding to accelerate the timeline.
 

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