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2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Both would fall apart lmao. SGA is the MVP both had comparable seasons but SGA did it on an all time great team who happens to be one of the youngest in the NBA and he does it on both ends
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lmao okc would still be in contention. Denver would be out in 3 games. lmao
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Both would fall apart lmao. SGA is the MVP both had comparable seasons but SGA did it on an all time great team who happens to be one of the youngest in the NBA and he does it on both ends
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I don’t see another WC team contending with OKC even if SGA went down to a season ending injury right now.

Meanwhile, Denver guaranteed wouldn’t win another game without Joker. They’d likely struggle to even be competitive and depending on the extent of the injury, would likely join us in the lottery next season.
 
The Thriller said:
I don’t see another WC team contending with OKC even if SGA went down to a season ending injury right now.

Meanwhile, Denver guaranteed wouldn’t win another game without Joker. They’d likely struggle to even be competitive and depending on the extent of the injury, would likely join us in the lottery next season.
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Not that I'd disagree with anybody putting Jokic over SGA as MVP, but I think people are super underestimating how much OKC relies on SGA's scoring.

They'd get bounced in Round 2 without him for sure.
 
MT Steve said:
Not that I'd disagree with anybody putting Jokic over SGA as MVP, but I think people are super underestimating how much OKC relies on SGA's scoring.

They'd get bounced in Round 2 without him for sure.
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And Denver doesn’t even make the playoffs let alone win a playoff game without joker. I don’t think Denver has a single starter who could start in okc.
 
MT Steve said:
Not that I'd disagree with anybody putting Jokic over SGA as MVP, but I think people are super underestimating how much OKC relies on SGA's scoring.

They'd get bounced in Round 2 without him for sure.
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Still hard to compare their relative impact when we’re talking about Denver being a bottom-8 team without Jokic and OKC still being a top-8 team without SGA.

I really feel they should both win the MVP. I have no idea if the mechanism exists.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Still hard to compare their relative impact when we’re talking about Denver being a bottom-8 team without Jokic and OKC still being a top-8 team without SGA.

I really feel they should both win the MVP. I have no idea if the mechanism exists.
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Considering that all of this **** is just made up anyway, they could easily make up the mechanism for it. Stockton and Malone shared the all star MVP, so why not?
 
I don’t think a single Denver starter could start on OKC. Meanwhile, OKC has several starters who’d be the #1 option for a joker-less Denver team even though joker would still be the #1 option ahead of SGA if he were to be on OKC.

I think we’re crazy underestimating joker’s imprint on the game.
 
Is it easier/better/more impressive/more important to be a floor raiser or a ceiling raiser, to be a guy that takes a 30 win team to a 50 win team, or a 50 win team to a 70 win team? (This is a philosophical question, I don't think there is a correct answer.)
 
MT Steve said:
Not that I'd disagree with anybody putting Jokic over SGA as MVP, but I think people are super underestimating how much OKC relies on SGA's scoring.

They'd get bounced in Round 2 without him for sure.
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That is tough to say. Someone posted some analysis about how many wins they were each worth to their respective teams and IIRC Jokic was worth something insane like 18 wins while SGA was worth just shy of 10, could be off by a couple on each of those. So if OKC could win 58 games without him, no 58-win team ever is an easy out in the 2nd round of the playoffs. But for Jokic, his team drops from what, 52 wins to 34 without him? They are competing at that point for a top lottery spot. This comparison just doesn't hold water.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Considering that all of this **** is just made up anyway, they could easily make up the mechanism for it. Stockton and Malone shared the all star MVP, so why not?
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Here’s the mechanism:

If the voting is within 5% margin, it triggers a binary question to eligible voters: “should the NBA award co-MVPs to ____ and ____”?

Even simpler, just put co-MVPs on the first ballot.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Is it easier/better/more impressive/more important to be a floor raiser or a ceiling raiser, to be a guy that takes a 30 win team to a 50 win team, or a 50 win team to a 70 win team? (This is a philosophical question, I don't think there is a correct answer.)
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I think it is clearly the floor raiser. They have far and away the tougher assignments. They have the target on them at all times as every other team knows, as goes Jokic, so goes the entire Denver squad. So they have the most weight to lift. SGA rarely had the target squarely on his back as the opponents knew they had other players who could beat you. What is harder, making the cake or spreading the icing? Obviously you **** up the cake there is never going to be any icing to begin with.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That is tough to say. Someone posted some analysis about how many wins they were each worth to their respective teams and IIRC Jokic was worth something insane like 18 wins while SGA was worth just shy of 10, could be off by a couple on each of those. So if OKC could win 58 games without him, no 58-win team ever is an easy out in the 2nd round of the playoffs. But for Jokic, his team drops from what, 52 wins to 34 without him? They are competing at that point for a top lottery spot. This comparison just doesn't hold water.
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SGA leads Jokic in win shares by the smallest of margins (16.7 to 16.4)
 
NUMBERICA said:
Here’s the mechanism:

If the voting is within 5% margin, it triggers a binary question to eligible voters: “should the NBA award co-MVPs to ____ and ____”?

Even simpler, just put co-MVPs on the first ballot.
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Exactly! Done and done!
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think it is clearly the floor raiser. They have far and away the tougher assignments. They have the target on them at all times as every other team knows, as goes Jokic, so goes the entire Denver squad. So they have the most weight to lift. SGA rarely had the target squarely on his back as the opponents knew they had other players who could beat you. What is harder, making the cake or spreading the icing? Obviously you **** up the cake there is never going to be any icing to begin with.
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Good Points.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Is it easier/better/more impressive/more important to be a floor raiser or a ceiling raiser, to be a guy that takes a 30 win team to a 50 win team, or a 50 win team to a 70 win team? (This is a philosophical question, I don't think there is a correct answer.)
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Probably more impressive to take a 50 win team to 70 wins.
In this discussion I think OKC is a 50 team without SGA. With SGA they are a 70 win team.
With jokic i think they are also a 70 win team but an even better 70 win team.
 
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