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25% left of obamas 8 year EVIL reign!!!!!

how do you rate OBAMA

  • A

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • B

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • C

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • D

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • E

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 8 32.0%

  • wtf with letters? I rate him above cheese

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • wtf with letters? I rate him as equel as cheese

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • wtf with letters? I rate him below cheese

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • I VOTE: Dutchjazzer, the first foreign us president ever!(aka every citizen will get free CHEESE!)

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Stoked said:
As for foreign policy:

Remove the troops from afghan and Iraq immediately. He didn't.

Close gitmo, he didn't

Stop giving the appearance of apologies and subservience to other heads of state. Such as bowing to the Japanese PM. I disliked the image it sent.
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I disagree on these points. An immediate withdrawal would have been irresponsible. Closing gitmo would have been even more executive overreach. The appearance of the United States as one nation among many is good for our foreign relations, and Presidents have long engaged in similar bows.

Stoked said:
Funding of the Ukraine uprising that dethroned that old president.

Supplying weapons to terrorist groups in other states such as Libya and Syria
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I agree these are mistakes.

Poland, I have not heard enough to form an opinion.
 
One Brow said:
I disagree on these points. An immediate withdrawal would have been irresponsible. Closing gitmo would have been even more executive overreach. The appearance of the United States as one nation among many is good for our foreign relations, and Presidents have long engaged in similar bows.
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Afghan funded and housed terrorists, the American people should be under no obligations to build them back up. Iraq was a mistake from day 1 but I can see an argument for staying to build them up as we should not have torn them down. I do think we stayed to long though.

I am fine with the whole 1 nation amoung many, but as equals. Our President should bow to no one. Same for the President/King/PM from "insert name of country". I dislike that image.

I don't see how our Commander In Chief closing an offshore military prison for terrorists is executive over reach. Please explain.
 
Stoked said:
I don't see how our Commander In Chief closing an offshore military prison for terrorists is executive over reach. Please explain.
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A law forbidding the transportation of the prisoners onto US soil was passed (I believe it was part of a larger bill that the President could not realistically veto). We don't have any other place for them to go that would be any better.
 
One Brow said:
"Killing" is neutral. "Murder" or "assassination" implies illegality. "Execution" implies legality.
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legality is relative.
this whole murder vs killing debate. should be held in another thread then.

imho legal does not equal good.


killing = acceptable/good.
murder = evil/bad.

those imho are absolute.

so basically the president comitted "legal" "taking of another humans life"(but i do disagree on legal part. because he should be impeached on the spot)
 
One Brow said:
A law forbidding the transportation of the prisoners onto US soil was passed (I believe it was part of a larger bill that the President could not realistically veto). We don't have any other place for them to go that would be any better.
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So just hold them forever? That's the answer? I do not think they should be brought onto US soil. Just this forever detention is lunacy. I'd be more in favor of killing them.

Are any of them wanted by other governments or groups? I am sure there are more than a few.
 
Stoked said:
So just hold them forever? That's the answer? I do not think they should be brought onto US soil. Just this forever detention is lunacy. I'd be more in favor of killing them.

Are any of them wanted by other governments or groups? I am sure there are more than a few.
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My understanding is that most of the prisoners who are wanted have been transferred, as have most of the prisoners who turned out not to have committed any provable offense. The remaining ones are the prisoners no one wants nor will accept. Yes, lunacy is the word.
 
LazyD said:
It's American politics, no one speaks in any other way
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You might enjoy this:

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One Brow said:
A law forbidding the transportation of the prisoners onto US soil was passed (I believe it was part of a larger bill that the President could not realistically veto). We don't have any other place for them to go that would be any better.
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More evidence we need line-item veto.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
How awful has politics become that this actually sounds about right.
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give your president a dollar to make a long distance call to the 80's. he needs to borrow their foreign policy.

how fun this is seeing obama exposed for the fool he is.

romney has proven to be a genius.


btw do you guys know that tyrone corbin would have made a better president than barrack HUSSEIN OBEEZY(cant say obama sounds to radical terrorist)
 
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